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#31 Post by **drh20s** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:05 am

#32 Post by **drh20s** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:41 am

#33 Post by **Jembrace** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:49 pm

I'm in Damon 3's and my ortho is a big fan of them. He schedules me for appointments 2 months apart, and says he's using wire which allows for slow, even movement. The gates on all my brackets work just fine, so no problem there.

Since I've never worn other brackets, I can't compare them to my Damons. I also am not sure about all the "hype" in the previous posts.

I'm pleased with what I have, but folks with non self ligating brackets seem to be happy with their hardware.

Jembrace

#34 Post by **lionfish** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:03 pm

I'm glad you had such a positive experience with Damons, drh20s, but that is your only personal experience with a bracket system, much as it is for the rest of us and the bracket system deployed in our treatment.

When you say that Damon treatments are completed faster and with greater comfort, what is the basis of comparison? Has Damon examined cases treated with both Damon & non-Damon systems, that are comparable in every clinical respect, in order to make this claim? And how do you rank the comfort of one system over and above another in two separate patients?

Comparing the alleged criticism of Damons - and it is only Damon wearers and promoters, such as yourself - who seem to infer that it is criticism - to the trial of Galileo misses the point. I think what really pisses a lot of us off here is that, for those of us who are not in Damons, there is an inference that we're getting inferior treatment.

Two questions: does Damon pay you for the work you do in developing teaching materials? And was your treatment free or discounted?

If your answer to one or both of those questions is 'yes', then you are not at arms' length in this debate.

#35 Post by **ngbraces** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:22 pm

Some members mentioned Damon brackets often popping off.
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Those are their own experiences, not representing a bracket system.

Time will prove that the Damon System's passive and self-ligating methods are the optimal ways to help the body naturally straighten teeth...

Time did prove that all kinds of bracket system methods have helped the body naturally straighten teeth...

In brief, Damon or non-Damon system can be the best experience for a person. Nobody (especially science-oriented persons) should claim one system is the best for all as long as no VALID researches, no RELIABLE statistic numbers are done and proven.

#36 Post by **BracedBelle** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:42 pm

drh20s wrote:BracedBelle's inference that my posting about Damon MXs was an advertisement was interesting...

I meant no offense, I just mean that all of your posts sound like marketing material "spin" to me...

"are the latest technology"
"MORE comfortable treatment"
'Kudos to your doc for his/her forward-thinking"
"Thank you, Dr. Damon "
"The Damon 3s are tops in the ortho world"
"They are sleek, comfortable, and faaast"
"Your doctor must be quality-conscious and patient-focused"

Even someone who had a great experience with a particular product or service doesn't tend to go around yelling from tree-tops that it's "tops in the world"... unless of course they're getting paid to advertise.

Nothing is the best-of-the-best in all cases for all patients. I for one have been having an extremely uncomfortable and frustrating Damon experience for the last couple of months. Also, my ortho not so much forward-thinking as he is interested in booking fewer appointments with his patients.

#37 Post by **Betty Bat** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:01 pm

I think that you could reduce some of the suspicion, drh20s, if you would make just ONE post that didn't sing the praises of Damons. If you really are all that concerned about us and about everyone who wears braces, maybe you could show this in a post on another subject - like toothbrushes or mouthwashes or retainers or ...

P.S. I'm still a "sticky Damon door" person. At my last adjustment, all of the doors were OK, except one, and that one last door took the ortho holding two things that looked like pliers (or forceps) to hold the wire exactly in place while the assistant shut the door. This was two weeks after I had my teeth cleaned, so don't question my dental hygiene again!

#38 Post by **chevyhuny** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:39 am

I have worn BOTH bracket systems. Once when I was young I wore the traditional style and now Damon's.

At this point I like the Damon's better. That could change as time goes on but that is where I am at now. I remember having to use a lot of wax especially in the beginning and so far I have hardly used any. I still can't believe how quick it was to have them installed and I still don't have to see my ortho until the end of March.

So far so good.

And I really wish this thread doesn't turn into a back and forth argument on Damons like the other threads.

Come on people there is plenty of that already.

#39 Post by **lionfish** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:47 pm

So you have worn so-called "traditional style" (whatever that is) brackets and damons. How many years apart? 5, 15, 20, more? As a child or adult? Please don't compare then - whenever then was - with now. I can guarantee you that anyone who is going around for the second time will most likely be having a better time of it now, regardless of the bracket system being used. Why? Two words: technological advances.

The only reason this thread has evolved to this stage is because some people persist in asserting - over and over again - that damons are far superior to every other bracket system out there. It is tiresome, tedious and above all, it hasn't been demonstrated to be true.

#40 Post by **ngbraces** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:54 pm

Take a look at Dmourning before and after pictures? The wonderful result is achieved from traditional brackets with NO extractions and NO surgery AT ALL:
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http://www.geocities.com/xeveritus/braces.html
Can anybody dare to say that his ortho is "not quality-conscious and patient-focused" and "not forward-thinking" because s/he didn't use Damon's?

So, the point is to STOP ADVERTISING a bracket system in this forum with a tone that sounds like putting other systems down in an obstinate way. Then we will live in peace, discuss our cases to achieve our beautiful smiles and agree that:

I don't care what we are using, I just want a pretty smile.

#41 Post by **chevyhuny** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:15 pm

So you have worn so-called "traditional style" (whatever that is) brackets and damons. How many years apart? 5, 15, 20, more? As a child or adult? Please don't compare then - whenever then was - with now. I can guarantee you that anyone who is going around for the second time will most likely be having a better time of it now, regardless of the bracket system being used. Why? Two words: technological advances.

The only reason this thread has evolved to this stage is because some people persist in asserting - over and over again - that damons are far superior to every other bracket system out there. It is tiresome, tedious and above all, it hasn't been demonstrated to be true.

YOU ARE SO QUICK TO JUMP ON ME YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ MY POST. I SAID "At this point I like the Damon's better. That could change as time goes on but that is where I am at now. " I'm not advertising anything I am giving my facts and opinions on MY experience.

I CAN compare because I had both and my adult mother went right along with me and knows what went on during that time as well. I KNOW how I feel so don't tell me what I can and can't compare. They are MY opinions and I am entitled to them.

And you can "guarantee"? OK when you yourself wear BOTH brackets for the entire span of treatment yourself then maybe you can guarantee. I haven't given any guarantees.

And I am sick and tired of some of you coming into every Damon post starting a whole whirl wind of back and forth arguments. You are making this board a real bore and pain to come to which I think is a really terrible thing. Some of us people who wear Damon's and would just like to talk to eachother are having to resort to Private Messages because you have to jump on everyone and start back and forth Drama.

And I fully expect it will continue in this thread AGAIN.

#42 Post by **jennielee81** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:52 pm

And I am sick and tired of some of you coming into every Damon post starting a whole whirl wind of back and forth arguments. You are making this board a real bore and pain to come to which I think is a really terrible thing. Some of us people who wear Damon's and would just like to talk to eachother are having to resort to Private Messages because you have to jump on everyone and start back and forth Drama. And I fully expect it will continue in this thread AGAIN.

It is very disturbing. I wish we could all get along.

If this were a discussion about carpet or dishwashers, would people be so angry?? Even the Invisalign board isn't this divisive.

Our Damon experiences are authentic! As authentic as anyone else's. We're not advertising, we're just talking to each other.

(ouch)

If someone comes on here and truly advertise a system, ignore them!!!
Everyone reads these with their own "filters" or "lenses". Let it be what it is....another discussion topic for people WITH DAMONS. Is there anyone getting angry with people who have elastics, or those with expanders or someone with an Essex rather than Hawley retainer?? I've said it before, there's nothing WRONG WITH DAMONS...they're just another system. If the company who makes them advertises too much, that's not OUR FAULT!

Misinformation is another issue. There is a good number of people who will politely correct this problem (I would like to thank them!), beyond this it is just harassment.

Sigh...

Respectfully yet nervously submitted by....Jenn

#43 Post by **chevyhuny** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:06 pm

You said it perfectly Jennielee. I wish us people with Damon's could just discuss it with each other without all of the Drama that invades every Damon post. WE are the ones wearing them, let us discuss OUR OWN EXPERIENCES and questions. Just like everyone else.

That is why I came here. Instead I get jumped on and my words quoted, evaluated and I'm told what to do and what not to do.

And we already know how you few people feel, WE ALL HAVE BEEN INFORMED over and over and over again. We know. We got it. IF you insist on continuing this then at least take to mind what Jennilee said.

Misinformation is another issue. There is a good number of people who will politely correct this problem (I would like to thank them!), beyond this it is just harassment.

Exactly.

#44 Post by **chevyhuny** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:57 pm

Also, I wore Damon braces for 22 months, debonded in May 2006 at the age of 49 years. I can attest to the comfort with the Damon's low forces.

Wow braces at 49! that it is great.

It just goes to show that you can never be too late for braces. I thought it might be silly having braces at 29, then I came here and see just how many adults are choosing to go with braces. We should always be willing to treat ourselves. I am glad the Damon's worked well for you and you are happy with your smile.

Its just amazing what all kinds of braces can do now days with well educated Orthodontists.(which is most important).

I am kind of glad we don't all wear the same kind. It makes it more interesting and gives us more choices. If one doesn't work there is always something else to try too which is a nice safety net. I love my Damon's, I am just praying they do their job.

#45 Post by **jennielee81** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:00 pm

Let's live life in peace, knowing we each have the best type of brackets for us!

Uh.... ya...that's what WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY!!!!!

I think after all this time on Archwired, I can be trusted with my personal experience with Damons. I don't think I've misrepresented them even one time. We're also educated adults.

THANKS, as always, for your generous guidence and input!

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