Did anyone feel the UK earthquake last night??

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Lisa65
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#16 Post by Lisa65 »

I guess you can get medics with bad bedside manners anywhere! :?

I'm very lucky with my ortho as he is a super guy, but I've heard many members on here complaining about their orthos being rude or offhand, and some of them have paid a lot of money for the privilege of being treated that way. I have to admit I wouldn't be happy if my ortho was talking on his mobile while treating me, whether I was private or NHS. Sounds like you struck unlucky with your one.

Also, I work for the NHS (as a chef) so I get a bit defensive when people start giving us a hard time! :D

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#17 Post by martinboyce »

Firstly

Lisa65, my mother and father both work for the NHS as a Phlebotomist and Ambulance Driver, so its not a dig at individuals, more a dig at the organisation, funding and service


Secondly

dubnobass, this is not one of those confrontational forums, its not your place to try and argue your opinion on us until we agree with you. This is simply how we feel end of story. Nothing you can say will change my mind. Ive not been fed any lines, and its NOT twaddle, how dare you!

Id rather pay for extra care than skrimp and be treated like another NHS patient. Every element of NHS care seems slow tardy and poor. So far Ive had:

dentistry - teeth out x 4 (infections X 2 ),
operations in hospital x 3 (fobed off, mis diagnosed and waiting lists)
tried to get braces as a kid (i got too old before my turn came on the waiting list)
GPs who never have any answers, who have perscribed me nothing but iburfuren for everything from a cold to a Hernia!

all on the NHS all pi$$ poor from start to finish

And no, all braces / brackets are the same, thats a generalised and inaccurate statement.

i walked into my first appointment at my orthos office felt like a human being, seen quickly, treated nicely.

However much private orthos charge if they dont do a good job then as a customer you have the right to walk away, dont pay them and take your business elsewhere. Its in their own best interests to treat you well, and do a good job, its their bread and butter!

Sure theres gunna be NHS patients that have had ok experiences but assuming the majority of people only get braced up the once would have nothing to compare against. Plus if you read back in this link alone we have people who have had bad service. (not caring, no choice, metals only, delays etc)

So before you go into a forum looking for a fight realise these are the wrong place for you, your 'arguements' fall on deaf ears when others and myself have experienced the inadequacies of many different areas of the NHS first hand time after time.

I for one will not be sweyed by some rose tinted specs version of an underfunded and underwhleming NHS.

Ignorance and Naivety are frustrating traits especially in forums!

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#18 Post by dubnobass »

Dude, chill. You stated your opinion, I stated mine. Mine is based on my own experience of orthodontic treatment on the NHS, and yours.. isn't.
You rubbished something you have no personal experience of, so it came across as twaddle to me.

I didn't say that all brackets were the same, I said they made no difference to how much your teeth move. Obviously ceramic and clear brackets are less obvious, and if some people want to pay extra for less obvious braces, good for them. I couldn't have had ceramics if I'd wanted them, because I needed jaw surgery, so had to have metal - and for that matter, I couldn't have gone private if I wanted to, as surgical cases are treated on the NHS.

I'm sorry if your experience of other parts of the NHS hasn't been great, but that's not the issue here. You stated your opinion that orthodontic treatments on the NHS was somehow inferior to private treatment, and I disagreed with your statement, that's all. I'm not looking for a fight or anything else - if you don't want people to disagree with you, don't make inaccurate statements! Image
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#19 Post by martinboyce »

I didnt make inaccurate statements. You on the otherhand made several.

Which i quite openly exposed! Dont try climbing out the hole you dug you made an attack on my comments, litteraly attacked. The fact that i then had to explain myself to you.

The NHS has failed me time after time after time as it has thousands upon thousands of people.
I have been seen by an ortho on the NHS as a kid who gave me a retainer, i went on a waiting list at 16 for an ortho, well im now 27 and i guess im still waiting, lol

THE NHS cannot afford to give everyone in the UK with crooked teeth braces, fact, the waiting list is rediculous fact, the NHS orthos get paid regardless of what they do or how they treat you fact! and they use a scoring system to triage who they will and wont help.

As a child they failed me and as an adult i am paying.

I can barely afford the private treatment, i mean overdraft city.. but so far yes its been overwhelmingly positive, a direct contradicition to every single NHS encounter iv had.

Up until now ive not encountered any confrontational people on Metalmouth as i have on other forums, its all been positive and useful, until today.


Stating a difference of opinion is fine but done in your way by saying "your wrong and im right." Will just antagonise people. You didnt merely state your opinion you disgarded mine as twadle before writing your own bias nonsense down.

To say theres nothing wrong with the NHS because youve had a good experience, so you have one good experience so do you assume its all that good?

Private Orthos can be bad, i dont dispute that, but if they are bad they aint gunna be in business long. But the NHS will carry on regardless of the outcome.
Customer service is always going to be generally higher with privates as will the care, comparable to NHS vs Bupa, plucking out single good NHS orthos wont change that overall.

Im not bias and i am objective, dont be rude to me. Dont talk down to me and dont disregard the things i say because they contradict your own experience.

Anyone can edit their own threads Lisa
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#20 Post by Lisa65 »

Martin, regarding popping into other peoples' threads. It wasn't your thread any more than it was hers or mine. As far as I'm aware all threads on this forum are open for anyone to post in unless the thread is locked by admin (which I can see probably happening to this one)

You stated your opinion, dubnobass stated hers and I stated mine.

I don't see the need to start throwing insults around. :?

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#21 Post by martinboyce »

Shoot, theres a bomb on a bus round the corner, uh oh!
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#22 Post by martinboyce »

Before we go any further i wish to call a truce. and befriend everyone, theres a bomb threat just been called on a bus round the corner from me here and the police are evacuating all the surrounding buildings

I wanna make peace not war.

Just in case iz get blowed up :D

I can agree to disagree i just dont like being attacked. Bullies are bullies i dont like seeing it on this or any forum.

Im sorry hand on heart for any offense.

now who felt the earthquake?

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#23 Post by Britlaw »

I certainly dont want to fuel any argument or disagreement but generally, NHS dentists and orthodontists have their time limited and we must remember that. Hubby and I and all 3 children (now adults) have private dentistry because in my own experience, they have more time to explore alternatives re treatment and seem to have a more 'preventative' philosophy. I would be interested to know if the more recent NHS dentists contracts have changed things for NHS dentists - I hope so, they used to be paid just to fill or extract teeth whatever their individual feelings about it. None of my children (18, 20 & 22) have any fillings - and my kids ate the same rubbish and drank too much soda like their friends with fillings, so that worries me. After my brace was fitted in January I had a trauma to a tooth (which I moaned about on here lol). It was painful for weeks and horribly wobbly but my dentist saw me each week and I had his mobile phone number which I was to call day or night at the slightest hint of a change in the pain as high risk of infection. He said he thought it could be a root fracture (usually fatal) but that these are commonly misdiagnosed so if I was prepared to bear with it, we'd make sure before doing anything - even drilling into the tooth to explore (which was intact and no prev filling). Well, 2 months later, it is fine but still being monitored. He openly admitted that an NHS dentist would have probably just recommended extraction after a second look at 2 weeks as the pain was still there then and it was still wobbling everywhere (not now :D ).

My youngest son did have NHS orthodontics and the result was fantastic but he had to wait 2 yrs to get treated and fortunately we sought opinion very early, when he was about 12. He was treated appropriately by a specialist but his team of 4 orthos were all in the same room and chairs lined up, a bit like a factory and as one left the next in line sat in the chair. Private patients were seen by the specialist only and in another suite. I guess they have to do the 'economies of scale' to make the finances of NHS contracts work. I have a different ortho because its more convenient to have one near the office as I commute 40 miles. I get a cup of tea, squashy sofas and music in the waiting room more time for him to explain things and chit chat but I doubt whether the treatment is any better and the treatment is all I want. My eldest son has just been to see him (he refused to have braces as a teen) and starts his treatment plan soon. He asked if he could not have extractions and the ortho said that it will be more difficult, take much more time but as long as my son was committed he'd try his best. I remember asking about avoiding extractions with my younger son's ortho and he said that extractions were unavoidable. Their cases might be different of course (but both complex Class II malloclusions), but I cant help thinking my older son will have no extractions because he's paying £4k whereas the NHS ortho had to work within his budget limit which was probably less. My ortho does do some NHS work but only complex children cases and he sees no-one, not even privately unless referred to him by dentists he works with who have already assessed the patient's motivation and level of commitment to orthodontics.

Blimey, I have gone on! Sorry :roll:


I forgot - Re the earthquake - I woke up with the bed shaking :shock: I convinced myself I must have been dreaming. Hubby was away on business, so its too funny that the earth moved for me whilst he wasnt there :wink:

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#24 Post by martinboyce »

Hey Britlaw, a friendly face. Its nearly my brace day yippeeeee.

im still sitting in my office surrounded by police, bomb squad and a helicopter,

oh the drama.

fuff!

Is this really about an earthquake anymore?

You made it sound like a barber shop, hehe, hows yours going by the way? no more disasters to report on?

I think youve hit the nail on the head from both camps, let that be that now.

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#25 Post by mg »

Hey, your earthquake made for big nightly news here in Vermont. Having lived in California, one gets used to strapping EVERYTHING down; hot water heaters, washer/dryer, everything. As for trinkets on the fireplace, like those showpiece teeth, Martinboyce, sticky putty to hold them in place!

Here, private OD, about $6000. Expensive, yes. Close to work and on the way home, yes. Accommodating, yes. Will I use less gas getting to and from this OD than another, yes. (Yup, must factor this in too now. Too bad we must add this to the line of reasoning, but everything must be considered.) This is not a light decision for any of us.

I had my molars removed from a University Dental School many years ago. I was satisfied, yet did wait. In fact, I now remember showing up on the scheduled day and they turned me away; too busy. Eventually, they fit me in.
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Feb 12 '08: Full Metal Upper & Lower
Mar 04 '08: TPA until crossbite is corrected
Feb 03 '09: TPA removed: out of crossbite!!
Feb 12 '10: Sentence 24 months give or take
Sep 21 '09: BRACES REMOVED!!

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#26 Post by martinboyce »

Hey MG, wow, how come everyones popping up in this thread today, its hardly a big quake but hey its all we got, we aint all so fortunate to have the san andreas running under us :P

Having a local ortho is better than you think, mines 2 mins from home, any probs i pass it to and from work so have no probs getting to mine. If youhave to drive 20 miles each time you visit then the getting a cheaper deal is sort of muted.

HOws your braces? no problems?

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#27 Post by mg »

My dog and I woke up in the middle of the night a few years back (in Cal) to an earthquake running through our neighborhood; it's like a train going through your house. Scared the you-know-what out of us all.

One needs not the San Andreas to have seismic stability a concern!

As for my teeth; the past 2 weeks have been interesting; pain is subsiding; getting used to eating mostly normal foods. I even took my braces out for dinner on Saturday and enjoyed sushi; protein and starch very easy to eat, not to mention delicious! Spent considerable amount of time in the ladies room brushing my teeth afterwards (took mywater glass w/me and glad I did). Didn't care if anyone saw me. It was great to go out to dinner.

THEN, on Sunday, wow wee! Some very interesting pain in my front tooth as it moved upward. Shooting, sporadic juts of pain. Instead of going back home and take it easy, I went skiing for distraction. And, like we've read about; the activity keep my blood moving and the pain disipated. The movement of the tooth was surprisingly noticable visually by evening.

In short, much progress in 15 days and getting used to metal, brackets. TPA installment next week (ugh.) That's my report.
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Feb 12 '08: Full Metal Upper & Lower
Mar 04 '08: TPA until crossbite is corrected
Feb 03 '09: TPA removed: out of crossbite!!
Feb 12 '10: Sentence 24 months give or take
Sep 21 '09: BRACES REMOVED!!

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#28 Post by martinboyce »

I look forward to passing on similar stories when i get mine on, not long now guys and ill be joining you, i know pain and iscomfort are involved but i guess no pain no gain, excuse the cliche.

nice one MG keep me update, get some pics up!

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