Bottoms went on today!

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#1 Post by **Laieniel** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:38 pm

Well I got the bottoms on today and got all torquise ligs

Other than alot of tightness mostly the itchy gums are the worst!

But I did have a funny thought today!

Between pms once a month and teeth adjustments once a month I wonder how long my hubby is going to put up with me

Hope everyone is doing well, I've been really tied up with work lately ( apparently it's baby boom season) but I've been trying to read a few posts a day.

Regards

#2 Post by **Blonco** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:41 pm

I had my bottoms put on a month ago and so far, they have caused more mouth sores than the tops ever have in the 5 months they have been on. I hope that they dont bother you as much as mine do me.

#3 Post by **Delag** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:26 pm

#4 Post by **iBorg** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:45 pm

Lanieniel:
WE're twins! I got my bottoms today also. I'm a bit scared with all the hooks for elastics. I think I got four or five per side. I'm just not sure I want to count them. I also have an additional tube on my molar band which also worries me. My ortho abd I talked a bit about whether I would be open to "other appliances" if the elastics and archwire don't upright my flared molars.

My banding ws not without some issues. My bite is such that my tops kept hitting my lower brackets. I already had a bite plate but it was of no use. It was modified and now is about three times the thickness it was. The brackets in front aren't causing any problems but the sides are a bummer. Plus I'm biting my cheeks. I'm hitting the salt water and will be trying out a product for Lynn as I adjust.

Mike

#5 Post by **rairai54** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:40 pm

Congrats on getting your lowers! I actually get mine next week.

#6 Post by **iBorg** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:04 pm

Lanieniel:
How's it going? I'm still having issues with my bottoms. I'm still biting my cheeks and my molars are hitting the sides. I've used more wax since Thursday than I did for the uppers for two months. Truly hope yours is going better. My ortho basically warned me it would take at least five days. I'm hoping its five days and not FIVE MONTHS!

Mike

#7 Post by **lilleth** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:21 pm

My lowers really hurt for about a month but then mostly calmed down.

I've had them for almost 15 months. Mike I have a question about your comment:

My ortho and I talked a bit about whether I would be open to "other appliances" if the elastics and archwire don't upright my flared molars.

My bit hasn't opened up that much, in my opinion, I have teeth still tiled in. Last time I went, they said they were putting strongest wire on and it may not tilt them out completely either.

Almost sounded like they were giving up. My 2 year billing is almost paid up, so I wonder if they are going to be done with me at end of Jan. They said 18-24 months.

What other appliances did you discuss?

#8 Post by **onny** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:14 am

Congrats on getting you lowers on. Btw why do some peoples get one jaw first and the other much later and not both the same day?
And I can agree the lowers is a bit harder to get used too, still have wound gums from the lower molar bands, cos they are so big and sharp with several tubes and hooks. To bad my wax is nearly empty, so i don't wax the bottom molars again today, Ill wait until it gets worse.
I also have the same problem with biting on a bracket, its no accident from the ortho, but she said its ok and has to be that way and will solve it own later. I hope the bracket stays until them, it already makes a small click sound when I bite on it and touch it afterwards. :/

#9 Post by **onny** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:43 am

Hm I have an overbite and it would have been better to got one jaw first, it really annoys me to always bite on 1-2 brackets, and even when those 2 teeth moved away in some weeks or month, I'll bite on the tube of the band the same segment, I tested it with biting on some chew gums and looked at the result imprint. But i remember I mentioned the first appointment there that I don't want just one jaw treated by any time, to not have a "half" braced look. She must have remembered it :/ Maybe I should insist in a bite aid on the right side, to elevate my molar surface a bit. At least I'm sure now the brackets are rock-solid, I bite on the bracket very hard this night when eating a small snack and it hurt alot, like biting on a piece of metal that accidentally fall into the soup, but no popping away of the bracket. The click I heard and thought was the bracket, is my tooth btw, which is a bit loose and clicks when touching the neighbored teeth.

#10 Post by **iBorg** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:59 am

lilleth:
She didn't say anything in particuliar. Based upon what I've seen others have, it would be some form of expander. My lower arch is significantly smaller than my upper arch, don't know if that's common or not, to the extent that if my molars were upright they would not make contact with my upper molars. Her initial plan is heavy arch wires and elastics but I'm concerned with the amount of movement required that's not enough.

Good luck,

Mike

#11 Post by **onny** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:47 am

KK wrote:Onny your ortho makes the decisions re which arch/how many arches etc. They have years of training and practise to do this!

Your ortho would only have braced both arches if that was the best option for your treatment. To have done anything else would have been unprofessional on her part, no matter what you wanted or thought was best.

Actually it already played a big matter what I wanted, the suggested treatment differers from what is done now quite a lot. An ortho not listening to the patients need is way more unprofessional in my eyes. Strange that most ppl forget they have a word to talk with, especially where a choice doesn't make a big difference to result of the treatment. Example is bracket type or ligature color, or getting both jaws bracketed the same day.

"ortho: If you want your lowers be done immediately too, is total up to you"
"onny: of course i want both jaws be done the same time, so it looks even"
Thats the chat as far as i remember it...

#12 Post by **onny** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:46 pm

Probably I did not understand you fully, yea. The same goes for you, because I didn't mean that its up to the patient to get 1 or 2 jaws braced, it of course its the docs decision. But if the doc explains that it doesn't make a difference for the treatment, then the patient doesn't need any professional orthodontic training to make the decision their own!

Also when the doc explains some procedure and two choices carefully a patient of course can choose what better fits him, sometimes of course the patient has to ask for those 2 options, because the docs mostly assume the patient just goes with the way the ortho wants it. Noone of course should be so rude to tell the ortho what he has todo, he would not do that anyway.

Hope that we now both properly understand what we mean

Another example to this is the headgear I will get. Or in other words don't get, because there are alternates which I will ask for, and if there is no good reason those alternates are impossible for me, I will get those alternates because I want them, they was not offered, they were my wish and I am the patient whose jaws are altered and who has to walk around with braces and pays the treatment.

#13 Post by **onny** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:21 pm

Lack of communication is a general bad habit, making problems in every situation of live, may it be with friends, wife or ortho. But its not a specific patient-orthodontist problem. Both just have to be open people, more important for the ortho, who has to explain important things without getting asked and just then for the patient who should ask things, which the ortho may not think about at this patient, like special needs.

I think thats why childs should take their parents with, who should really be interested in get all important information and not just think about their next golf course or pc game. Adults should be smart enough to do that their own, treatments are an important thing and conversations should not be done in the manner of "fast, fast"

Good that my doc explains everything in great detail and listens for my wishes and together find a way which remains professional treatment and covers my wishes best. Example are my wisdom teeth, I wanted to remain them for all costs, but my ortho explained very nice why that is not needed and I agreed with him and 2 are out so far, 2 in some weeks. It would have been possible to let them in, but after his explanation I saw not a single advantage anymore, just disadvantages.

#14 Post by **PaulKariya** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:42 pm

Can't wait until my bottoms get on, good luck.

#15 Post by **onny** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:47 pm

Ricky what was your reason to get Top first and later bottoms? How much time was in between ? Just curious