Bad news..im getting them off..UPDATED PICS

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#1 Post by **newmetal** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:19 pm

So for many people this would be good news but for me it's not. Went for an adjustment today expecting to get tweaked etc but the ortho dropped the bomb that he thinks i am ready for removal and asked do i have any concerns. Now for some of you who know my case, my inscisor is up in the gumline and affects the tooth next to it, making my bite on the left weird. Now, in my eyes these teeth are nowhere straight or near to finished, but he told me today that there was no room for the tooth sticking out to move further down into the gumline and this was the best result (the way my teeth are at present) that could be achieved. When he broke the news i asked is there anyway the bite and the teeth could be treated and he said probably not and he thought the teeth looked good and that the result has been a good one. He also added 'im looking at your teeth from a birdseye view so i can see what they are really like and they are all straight'. So next appt i will be getting the bottom ones off and i think he's going to try his best to move those teeth into more of a suitable position in the top arch, although he didn't sound to hopeful and i think the top brace will be removed a month after the bottom.

I am really disheartened by this prospect and am hoping that i think my teeth look and are worse that what they look to others. Im a student and have struggled to work extra hours etc to pay off the Â£2500 bill for these. I never have worried about my bite and i don't see it as a massive issue but i did want my teeth to look aesthetically pleasing, and at present they don't.

Newmetal

#2 Post by **newmetal** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:33 pm

Here are a couple of pictures from today: Honest opinions please..

Today i got my first elastic placed on the side of the bad bite...

#3 Post by **joney** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:36 pm

Hi Newmetal

I'm really sorry to hear this, it is horrible to think that you won't be happy with the results. I can't remember if you ever posted in the "Braces Stories" section so I don't know what your teeth are like but it is horrible to get the brace off if you're not happy.

Why not post a photo and see what others here think? Is your ortho doing some further tweaking.

I'm not sure that my post is particularly helpful. I hope you can get to a situation where you are happy with the result.

Regards
Joney

#4 Post by **joney** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:39 pm

We cross posted, I have to say that I agree with you the left incisor looks too far back. An unprofessional opinion but maybe some IPR could make room to bring it forward?

#5 Post by **breal87** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:07 pm

yeah i am going to have to agree the top could use some work. From an unprofessional view i don't think he should be taking the bottom off before the tops! They should all come off at the same time, elastics should have fixed your bite

good luck

#6 Post by **Miss Smiley** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:15 pm

Yeah your left lateral looks a bit out of place. If I covered your teeth from the left central to the right, it would look perfect and vice cersa. but together, they don't look fully corrected. Maybe your ortho could do some IPR to make a bit of space.

#7 Post by **newmetal** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:45 pm

Thanks for the responses guys. Im at a lost what to do now, feel that this last 1 and a half years in braces and the saving etc has been a waste of time. I look at my teeth and they look like they need a brace, not that they are at the end of treatment. He said there was no more room to move the lateral etc any further...wish there was some warning of this prior to treatment. He said he will take the bottom of at the next appt so the tops must be being left on for a while longer so who knows huh? Is taking the bottoms of earlier than the tops a bad thing then because one of the posters said something about taking both top and bottom of at the same time?

Once again, thanks for the responses and support.

Newmetal

#8 Post by **Miss Smiley** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:51 pm

You should make an appointment to talk to your ortho before your next appointment. Take in the pictures you have to better illustrate what you feel needs to be worked on. Bring up IPR (slenderizing) for some of those teeth that don't have room and the use of any elastics and such. As a patient, you have entrusted him with your teeth, money and time I think you should get to walk away happy client. Your efforts put forth is a big investment and hopefully your ortho sees this just as equally as his time and skill have been invested too. I hope things work out for you, keep us updated!

#9 Post by **newmetal** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:08 pm

Thanks for the advice Miss Smiley. Could i ask what an irp is and what it consists off? I did try explaining it to him today and he said that there is not enough room therefore it would not be physically possible, he also said that the difference in positioning of the laterals could be down to their different shapes. I think thats bull if im being completely honest...when he was giving me the elastic to place on left hand side bite he asked me 'Have i given you elastics before?', surely he should have known that he hadn't.

#10 Post by **breal87** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:19 pm

newmetal- IPR is basically shaving in between teeth to make room. I had some IPR done on my lowers due to crowding. The IPR can make room for the teeth to move. It is not uncommon for people to have bottom braces removed before the top vice versa but it really all depends on your particular case. Maybe you can set up an appointment to sit down with the ortho in his office before you get them off to address your concerns? I agree with smiley you should take pictures in show what you are not happy with

#11 Post by **Miss Smiley** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:20 pm

First off, IPR is Inter proximal reduction, aka slenderizing, which is the reduction of some enamel between teeth which can help in cases where more room is needed but does not warrant an extraction. They just get some sand paper like strip and file between the teeth, like a sand paper flossing. It feels funny and sounds weird but you shouldn't feel any pain. I've had this done on my my lower centrals and laterals. Others have had the reduction done with a hand tool with a disk attachment. This can also be used to reshape some conky shaped teeth. Hopefully, he can try that to create some room and not throw off the rest of your bite.

In regards to him knowing if he's given you elastics or not, maybe he didn't go back and look through your whole chart and just not remembered. I wouldn't hold that against him, orthodontists are humans too.

#12 Post by **smile2006** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:18 pm

I have read many of your posts in the past and I was sorry to read this one. You deserve to be satisfied and something just doesn't look right. There appears to be to much variation front/back and updown in the top teeth. Talk to your ortho and tell him you are not satisfied. Easy to say and hard to do I know! Good Luck.

#13 Post by **ljandersmith** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:53 pm

Newmetal,
I agree with everyone, I would not be happy. Your midline isnt even even yet. It looks too early. I would speak to your ortho, or even get a second opinon from another one.

#14 Post by **newmetal** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:07 am

Once again, thanks everyone for the opinions and advice, i have taken them on board. I havn't slept last night with the stress of knowing ive spent all this money and time for nothing. The thing is i did say to him my worries about the teeth on the upper arch but he just repeated that there was no room for movement therefore it would not be possible to correct those teeth and he also suggested that the lateral could just be a different tooth shape, this is why it looks different...so where can i go from here? I agree that the bottom arch could be debanded so i am not too worried about that , but he's hinted that he is not going to do much more with the top arch and i believe that it still needs a hell of alot of work.

In a way i wish i never started this journey, its looking alot like i've wasted my time and money.

Newmetal

YouTube · #15 Post by **retainerjoe** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:16 am

before i had them removed , i would see another ortho ,an tell him what you expect an see what he says, i did this just to see if i was on track , i did finish with my guy , another orthodontist will charge to rebracket you an yours are all ready on , this is just my oponion