Wonder if my parents will think I look different
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shifting standards
That's very true. Standards have shifted, and people are less willing to accept less than ideal conditions if they can change them. On that note, none of my dentists have ever suggested jaw surgery (I'm 30). Not a single one. They all tell me I have "beautiful teeth". Heh. The way I stumbled across jaw surgery was through an ex-colleague/friend. One day we were out shopping at Whole Foods, and very casually she just said, very bluntly, word for word - "Kristen, show me your bite. Do you have a bite problem?" I was floored, and refused to. My bite problem was such an embarrassment to me! She then told me that she had had jaw surgery five years ago herself, to fix an open bite (she couldn't even cut sandwiches or eat noodles). She told me all about her experience - the braces, the surgery, the cost - as we strolled through Whole Foods picking up groceries. Boy, was I shocked! It felt as though a door was suddenly open for me. The next day, I called her surgeon and orthodontist.... and the rest is history in the making. I'm so grateful that she told me about the whole procedure. It is truly life-changing.
When she found out that I was electing to have jaw surgery, my dentist said she was eager to see the results. Said she did notice the abnormal bite, but didn't say anything because 1. it is an extensive procedure, and 2. she didn't know any local surgeon she could recommend. Said the only surgeon she'd heard of that's good is in Texas (I live in San Francisco). I can't wait to show her my new bite so that she can recommend my OS to her patients should anyone need it.
Cheers,
Kristen
16 days post op
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When she found out that I was electing to have jaw surgery, my dentist said she was eager to see the results. Said she did notice the abnormal bite, but didn't say anything because 1. it is an extensive procedure, and 2. she didn't know any local surgeon she could recommend. Said the only surgeon she'd heard of that's good is in Texas (I live in San Francisco). I can't wait to show her my new bite so that she can recommend my OS to her patients should anyone need it.
Cheers,
Kristen
16 days post op
http://bracemyself.blogspot.com/
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Great story
Kristen: Wonderful story about Whole Foods. I could visualize it happening. On your dentist's reasons for not suggesting surgery, even though it's "an extensivse procedure" it's up to the patient to decide if she wants to take that path. And I believe dentists should present that option to patients. As for not knowing oral surgeons, this is a vicious circle. If you don't usually refer patients to a surgeon, then you don't know any. And on it goes. How fortunate for you that your friend brought up the topic in Whole Foods!
Helen
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I was told by one dentist that I had a cross bite - he said ¨that just means that you have to move your jaw from side to side when you open and close it¨ NOt only did he give me the WRONG description of a crossbite, he blew it off as unimporant. This would be an interesting poll question - how did you find out your bite was messed up?
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poll question
Yes, I agree - this would make a great poll question! How do we do it?
Kristen
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my folks refused to see me
OK, I must admit I didn't see this one coming. I e-mailed my itinerary to my folks about a week ago, and said "Hi there, I'll be in town, do you want to meet up?" This was our first communication since last March. They never responded to my e-mail. Just talked to my half-brother right now, he said my stepmom (his mom) said they got the e-mail, but my dad is upset that I didn't address him as "Dad", and simply said "hi there", so they refused to respond to the message, and have decided not to see me, period, even though they know through him that I'd just had jaw surgery. I don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't think I did anything to deserve this. I really don't.
Given my parents' track record, I realize I should know better than let them affect me. But they've hit a new record low.
Kristen
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Given my parents' track record, I realize I should know better than let them affect me. But they've hit a new record low.
Kristen
http://bracemyself.blogspot.com/
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Wow. Knock me over witha feather! Do you think they are really that sensitive or are they using this as an excuse for some reason. I guess I have a hard time understanding any parent who would not jump at the chance to see their kids. I agree with Meryaten - you did nothing wrong. I am so sorry that this part of your life is so difficult. ((((((((HUGS))))))))))
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letter to a friend
A mutual church friend of ours just e-mailed and tried to convince me to call my parents one more time. She has watched me grow up, since I was 17 (I'm 30 now), and we were close. I couldn't hold back. I feel so bitter. This is my letter back to her. By the way, I was never a bad kid. Didn't do drugs, didn't have boy problems - my life was almost boring, spent between school and jobs. I started working when I was 16, and put myself through college (they didn't have to pay a PENNY). Yes, I lived at home. But I paid them rent (even while I was still a college student) and bought groceries twice a month.
My half-brother (we share the same dad), on the other hand, had all of his education paid for, in New York, nonetheless. They said they didn't want him to get distracted with a part-time job. School must come first.
So when my friend wrote and asked me to call my folks, I couldn't hold back. This is what I said.
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Dear Jin,
I know you're trying to help, but I'm afraid this situation cannot be helped.
The original e-mail I sent to my folks is at the bottom of this message. They never responded to it, even after Sam told them that I'd just had jaw surgery. A major surgery that kept me in the operating room for four hours, and in the hospital for three nights. They say they love me? Where IS the love?
After my visit last year, Sam went to Houston for Spring Break. He and I had a slight misunderstanding over the phone so he hang up on me. When I called back, my dad picked up, and he said - "Who are YOU to now act like a siser? What kin d of sister have YOU been, ever since Sam began school? What kind of responsibilities have YOU ever taken?" I told him that I loved Sam dearly, but no, it wasn't my financial responsibility to put him through school. You know how my dad can get. He yelled at me and called me a bunch of names. I reminded him the reason I moved out of their house, back in 2000, was that he hit me, hard. For something very minor - simply because I wasn't feeling well when he told me to clean the bathroom that night, and I asked him if I could do it the next morning. That would all it took to set him off. He hit me so hard for something so small. He slapped my face - not once, not twice, not three times, but more than a dozen times in a row. Hard, full-swing slaps across the face. I was 23. I packed up a duffle bag and left that very night.
While we were on the phone after my disagreement with Sam, I told my dad that I never told him this, but because of the above experience, for three years after I'd moved to California, I'd have the same nightmare two to three times a week, in which he'd hit me hard, with a crazed look in his face, and I'd wake up crying, with real tears streaming down my cheeks. I had to eventually go see a psychiatrist for consultation before the nightmares stopped. I said to him - "It's not that I'm accusing you of anything. I just wanted to tell you this is what I went through, and it was very difficult." To this he responded - "You're always feeling sorry for yourself. Stop exaggerating. It was never that bad." He said this to me, while I was crying over the phone and telling him about my very difficult experience. They say they love me? Where IS the love?
Even after that conversation, I made myself call him three to four more times in an effort to maintain a relationship. Each time he acted distant and curt. And he never bothered initiating another call (in fact, they haven't done that in a long time). So eventually, I stopped calling. We haven't spoken over the phone since last March/April. And irnoically, I was able to live in peace.
I don't want to be estranged from my folks either. So I reached out with my itinerary to see if they'd like to meet this weekend. They simply never responded.
Do you still think they love me?
I'm sorry, Jin. Considering all that's happened, I really don't think it'd be a good idea for me to join them for church on Sunday. Yes, we're Christians and we believe in love, forgiveness, and lack of pride. But, I'm only human, and I have feelings, too. While I appreciate your good will, at the moment, I simply cannot find the strength in me to give it yet one more shot.
Please let me know if we can possibly meet sometime other than Sunday, if you still want to see me. I would love to see you - it's been a while, I miss you and your family. All of you have been nothing but kind to me.
Kristen
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Call me stubborn. But I simply don't have enough feelings left to reach out again and make another call. I'd go crazy.
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My half-brother (we share the same dad), on the other hand, had all of his education paid for, in New York, nonetheless. They said they didn't want him to get distracted with a part-time job. School must come first.
So when my friend wrote and asked me to call my folks, I couldn't hold back. This is what I said.
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Dear Jin,
I know you're trying to help, but I'm afraid this situation cannot be helped.
The original e-mail I sent to my folks is at the bottom of this message. They never responded to it, even after Sam told them that I'd just had jaw surgery. A major surgery that kept me in the operating room for four hours, and in the hospital for three nights. They say they love me? Where IS the love?
After my visit last year, Sam went to Houston for Spring Break. He and I had a slight misunderstanding over the phone so he hang up on me. When I called back, my dad picked up, and he said - "Who are YOU to now act like a siser? What kin d of sister have YOU been, ever since Sam began school? What kind of responsibilities have YOU ever taken?" I told him that I loved Sam dearly, but no, it wasn't my financial responsibility to put him through school. You know how my dad can get. He yelled at me and called me a bunch of names. I reminded him the reason I moved out of their house, back in 2000, was that he hit me, hard. For something very minor - simply because I wasn't feeling well when he told me to clean the bathroom that night, and I asked him if I could do it the next morning. That would all it took to set him off. He hit me so hard for something so small. He slapped my face - not once, not twice, not three times, but more than a dozen times in a row. Hard, full-swing slaps across the face. I was 23. I packed up a duffle bag and left that very night.
While we were on the phone after my disagreement with Sam, I told my dad that I never told him this, but because of the above experience, for three years after I'd moved to California, I'd have the same nightmare two to three times a week, in which he'd hit me hard, with a crazed look in his face, and I'd wake up crying, with real tears streaming down my cheeks. I had to eventually go see a psychiatrist for consultation before the nightmares stopped. I said to him - "It's not that I'm accusing you of anything. I just wanted to tell you this is what I went through, and it was very difficult." To this he responded - "You're always feeling sorry for yourself. Stop exaggerating. It was never that bad." He said this to me, while I was crying over the phone and telling him about my very difficult experience. They say they love me? Where IS the love?
Even after that conversation, I made myself call him three to four more times in an effort to maintain a relationship. Each time he acted distant and curt. And he never bothered initiating another call (in fact, they haven't done that in a long time). So eventually, I stopped calling. We haven't spoken over the phone since last March/April. And irnoically, I was able to live in peace.
I don't want to be estranged from my folks either. So I reached out with my itinerary to see if they'd like to meet this weekend. They simply never responded.
Do you still think they love me?
I'm sorry, Jin. Considering all that's happened, I really don't think it'd be a good idea for me to join them for church on Sunday. Yes, we're Christians and we believe in love, forgiveness, and lack of pride. But, I'm only human, and I have feelings, too. While I appreciate your good will, at the moment, I simply cannot find the strength in me to give it yet one more shot.
Please let me know if we can possibly meet sometime other than Sunday, if you still want to see me. I would love to see you - it's been a while, I miss you and your family. All of you have been nothing but kind to me.
Kristen
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Call me stubborn. But I simply don't have enough feelings left to reach out again and make another call. I'd go crazy.
http://bracemyself.blogspot.com/
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I digress
I know, this wasn't the original intention of this thread. I deviated. Had to vent. VENT VENT VENT. Thanks for listening.
Kristen
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you did the right thing
Kristen: How very sad when parents cannot behave in a loving manner. Also, hitting anybody like that is abuse and is a criminal offense. How awful that you have been the victim of both emotional and physical abuse. I know that many of us have to find a "family" elsewhere. We can find support and love from people who are not our parents. Please know that many of us care about you even though we have never met you. Good for you for being a survivor and being so strong.
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Thank you.
Helen, Delag, Meryaten,
Thank you for your responses. Yes, I agree - like you said, many of us have to find a "family" elsewhere. I've found mine. I've been blessed with many loving friends who truly care for me. They stayed with me around the clock at the hospital. My boyfriend has been exceptionally kind and caring. I really couldn't have asked for more.
With my dad and stepmom - I believe I'll bounce back in a day or two, once I recover from the initial disappointment. In an odd way, this gives me some closure - I reached out, they shut the door. Well, I did all that I could.
On another note - maybe it's a good thing they won't see me this time. Who knows if/when my dad would lose his temper again? My jaws cannot take another slap - much less a dozen - this fresh out of surgery. Ha.
Kristen
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Thank you for your responses. Yes, I agree - like you said, many of us have to find a "family" elsewhere. I've found mine. I've been blessed with many loving friends who truly care for me. They stayed with me around the clock at the hospital. My boyfriend has been exceptionally kind and caring. I really couldn't have asked for more.
With my dad and stepmom - I believe I'll bounce back in a day or two, once I recover from the initial disappointment. In an odd way, this gives me some closure - I reached out, they shut the door. Well, I did all that I could.
On another note - maybe it's a good thing they won't see me this time. Who knows if/when my dad would lose his temper again? My jaws cannot take another slap - much less a dozen - this fresh out of surgery. Ha.
Kristen
http://bracemyself.blogspot.com/
Kristen, my heart is just breaking for you. It doesn't matter if you are 3 or 30 - rejection from a parent hurts very deeply. I do believe that these difficult life situations happen for some reason. I don't doubt that you will be a very important guide for someone in a similar life crisis. I admire how you have handled yourself.
Re: Thank you.
Friends really are one of life's greatest treasures, aren't they? I'm happy that you've got them.I've been blessed with many loving friends who truly care for me.
Braced March 2005 (lower); November 2005 (upper); all ceramic. Goal = correcting overbite.
Lower jaw surgery was successfully performed December 18, 2006.
Lower jaw surgery was successfully performed December 18, 2006.
Hope things are better
Miss Kristen,
I sure do wish I would have checked back on this thread sooner. Like everyone else I was mighty sorry to read about your troubles. It's so hard, hard what you're going through, but you have learned through the years and continue to remember with situations like this what it is to not enable nor condone your parent's abuse. This is great knowledge which wields great power. But also importantly I hope your mouth is feeling and looking fine
I sure do wish I would have checked back on this thread sooner. Like everyone else I was mighty sorry to read about your troubles. It's so hard, hard what you're going through, but you have learned through the years and continue to remember with situations like this what it is to not enable nor condone your parent's abuse. This is great knowledge which wields great power. But also importantly I hope your mouth is feeling and looking fine
I've posted in this forum before but not for a while. Basically I just had a chat with my mother - it's been a long time since we've talked about jaw surgery. I go through phases where my overbite bothers me and phases where I'm ok with it - I'm currently on the waiting list to have surgery (I'm in the UK, where it's on the NHS), but am unsure whether I will actually go through with it when my name gets to the top of the list.
Anyway, she and the rest of my family just think I'm vain and stupid. I had a dream last night that I was going into surgery and it's bothered me all day. I'm absolutely terrified of hospitals and the idea of having oral surgery (although I'm getting my wisdom teeth out soon, so I guess I should get used to it), but I just can't get over the fact I'm not normal and that I was referred for surgery in order to fix my jaws. The surgeon said that more likely than not I would probably not have any functional problems in the future because of my overbite, but that it would improve my profile and smile to have the surgery and if I wanted to have it done then I could. I've had a hard time coming to terms with this as it is, but thinking about it all day because of my dream has just made me realise that I can't cope with dealing with this problem again and again and that I need to have this surgery, if only to get some "closure" (sorry for the cliche) on the whole thing. But when I told my Mum she was so incredibly unsympathetic. She said she thinks it's a big weakness in me that I can't just get over it and move on, that people have much worse problems to deal with and that she's not sure how she or the rest of my family will deal with the change in my appearance. She revealed that she's even had counselling about it herself because of the way I deal with it, and she thinks I'm "screwed up". She said that everyone thinks I'm beautiful and that I've never had any problems getting boyfriends and was never bullied or anything about it so she can't see why I'm "obssessed" with it. (To be fair, I don't want to sound arrogant, but I'm certainly not unattractive - although I'm not "beautiful" - although this is partly because since I was much younger I have been in the habit of using my muscles to hold my jaw forward, which disguises the problem).
I just can't deal with it anymore. I would go for counselling but I am currently living in another country and it's not really an option for a good few months. I just want somebody who understands. I'm so confused because at the same time, it's not like I want my whole family to look at me and say "oh yes, you should definitely have it done, your profile does look a little strange". I'm just miserable and with the end of the waiting list in sight, the day is getting ever closer when I have to make the decision. Am I just being a selfish brat? Should I just get over this? I don't want to hurt the people I love, and to be honest I'm not desperate to spend two years in braces and have pretty major surgery, but my overbite has always bothered me and I just don't know what to do.
Anyway, she and the rest of my family just think I'm vain and stupid. I had a dream last night that I was going into surgery and it's bothered me all day. I'm absolutely terrified of hospitals and the idea of having oral surgery (although I'm getting my wisdom teeth out soon, so I guess I should get used to it), but I just can't get over the fact I'm not normal and that I was referred for surgery in order to fix my jaws. The surgeon said that more likely than not I would probably not have any functional problems in the future because of my overbite, but that it would improve my profile and smile to have the surgery and if I wanted to have it done then I could. I've had a hard time coming to terms with this as it is, but thinking about it all day because of my dream has just made me realise that I can't cope with dealing with this problem again and again and that I need to have this surgery, if only to get some "closure" (sorry for the cliche) on the whole thing. But when I told my Mum she was so incredibly unsympathetic. She said she thinks it's a big weakness in me that I can't just get over it and move on, that people have much worse problems to deal with and that she's not sure how she or the rest of my family will deal with the change in my appearance. She revealed that she's even had counselling about it herself because of the way I deal with it, and she thinks I'm "screwed up". She said that everyone thinks I'm beautiful and that I've never had any problems getting boyfriends and was never bullied or anything about it so she can't see why I'm "obssessed" with it. (To be fair, I don't want to sound arrogant, but I'm certainly not unattractive - although I'm not "beautiful" - although this is partly because since I was much younger I have been in the habit of using my muscles to hold my jaw forward, which disguises the problem).
I just can't deal with it anymore. I would go for counselling but I am currently living in another country and it's not really an option for a good few months. I just want somebody who understands. I'm so confused because at the same time, it's not like I want my whole family to look at me and say "oh yes, you should definitely have it done, your profile does look a little strange". I'm just miserable and with the end of the waiting list in sight, the day is getting ever closer when I have to make the decision. Am I just being a selfish brat? Should I just get over this? I don't want to hurt the people I love, and to be honest I'm not desperate to spend two years in braces and have pretty major surgery, but my overbite has always bothered me and I just don't know what to do.
Angelcake, it is your right to do whatever possible to be happy. Your mother should be ashamed for making you feel like this. I'm really shocked after reading some of these stories. You have a functional problem with your jaw, and you have the option of correcting it through surgery. I have always felt that to not take advantage of available healthcare is both unwise and ungrateful. Your decision has absolutely nothing to do with your family, and everything to do with your own happiness! I'm deeply sorry that you do not have the support of your family, but there comes a point when you have to identify priorities, and accept that some people are impossible. Rather than try to appease your mother, you need to take a step back and assess the pros and cons of the surgery regarding you. If your situation is anything like mine, you'll see that the benefits drastically outweigh the negative (if, in fact there even are any negatives). Girl this is nobody's else's business! I have a woman in my family who positively relishes any sort of downfall in my life, mainly because that is her way of boosting her own self-esteem. I have learned to accept this, and unfortunately I cannot help but pity her. I hope you make the right decision, and I wish you the best.