Can they not diagnose surgery right?

[brittany]

Im really mad. Im 17 and no one in my life has ever said I needed braces and everyones always told me I had a "perfect smile" But im not completely satisfied, because my bottom teeth arent PERFECT theyre a little crowded if you look closely, no big deal really but im a perfectionist about my looks so like i just figured id get invisalign. So today I went to the orthodontist and then the nurse/assistant whatever shes called took my pictures and did my x rays and I hadnt mentioned invisalign yet no one knew what i was wanting but as i was waiting for the actual orthodontist she played the invisalign video and told me to watch it so i thought for sure i was getting invisalign. But the orthodontist finally came in and she was this horrible no nonsense manly woman, she wasnt nice or kind and warm, and i thought her face looked long and out of porportion like she had an underbite and i thought that was strange, like an orthodontist would have that fixed, but i was like okay whatever. But then she didnt ask me ANY questions about my teeth, and my mom left that part of the form blank cuz my mom didnt know and my doesnt think i need anything. So this lady knew nothing about me and didnt ask one question but just looked in my mouth a little and at the x rays and pics and all, and says i have an UNDERBITE. And that ill need 2 years of braces, and a surgery, and invisalign isnt even an option. And told me that my teeth dont bite down together hardly anywhere in my mouth and that I probably cant eat anything more than a sandwich. And I said, excuse me what are you talking about I can eat just fine and she ignored me. I wanted to smack her big head through a wall. How unprofessional of her it say something that wacko than ignore me.

Like, my bottom teeth dont stick out of the top teeth at all. Theyre behind the top, and my teeth touch together everywhere =/ And all the signs of having an underbite like the flat cheeks, narrow kind stuck out from the side nose, I dont have any of that. The complete opposites actually. And I just dont have the underbite look when I look at myself. And my mom thought the lady was insane and wont have me go back but once we got home i started crying and screaming cuz i was so upset about having an underbite so my dad got my an appointment at a different place next week. But im really upset, like i didnt even wanna go out tonight. I feel horrible.

My looks are very important to me since I wanna be in music. Doing pop singing. Looks are everything for that.

Is it possible she could of just been crazy and was all wrong or does some of it HAVE to be true??? Cuz I did notice...I made the appointment.....and they had an opening the next day ever hour, and the next day almost all day long. So there must not be lots of people going there. And the girl who took my pictures and xrays thought i could have invisalign.

I have pictures, i dont wanna post them, im embarassed of all this and dont want anyone i know in real life knowing i want braces. But if anyone wants to pm me or tell me to pm them with pictures ill do it if you wanna get a better idea of if she was lying or not

And everyone who doesnt want pics, is it possible she could be THAT wrong?

and if u guys do see my pics just be honest cuz its really important if my face is all jacked up, i get it fixed

[lionfish]

A general rule of thumb is that if you don't feel comfortable with an ortho (or any health care professional, for that matter) go out and find another with whom you do.

You may find that the next ortho you see offers a different solution to your issues, and one that is more acceptable to you.

Without pics, it's hard to know whether you do or don't have an underbite. And if you do, rest assured that it is not the end of the world as you know it. I lived with one for 53 years and still managed to have a life, work and relationship.

[brittany]

Yeah but how can you have an underbite when all your bottom teeth are inside the top teeth???? Thats what makes no sense to me. And the fact that she didnt ask me ONE question, not ONE. And then told me I cant eat a sandwich which I know for a fact is wrong, I was just like lady wtf are you thinking when I told her that I had no idea what she was talking about and she didnt respond.

Ugggggh I hated her attitude. And I was actually nice to her even though I didnt wanna be after awhile.

And, I really have a feeling she was wrong.


And I have pictures I said, for anyone who wants to ask for them, I just dont wanna post them since I dont even want anyone to know im getting braces.

But still even though im pretty sure shes wrong, hearing that is very upsetting especially for someone like me who thats important to for my career.

Also, when I was like 10 or something and once by a different place when I was 7 I had xrays done of all the teeth and whatever all else to see if I would need braces or anything later on and they said no. It seems like if my jaws were all jacked up one of those places would of known it. Like, the reason I went at all was just for my own good cuz I dont like the little crowding on bottom. No one else has reccomended it.

Im just confused and sad and angry too, if shes wrong, cuz then she will have made me feel bad for no reason.

And you guys dont say im being rude, this is upsetting for me cuz it came out of nowhere.

[lionfish]

While you might not like the initial diagnosis and treatment, at 17, you're not old enough to be in a position to know otherwise.

I suggest you concentrate on your voice. It's the instrument that is going to be most important to you in your chosen career.

[Happysmiler]

Brittany

The dental assessments that you had when you were 7 and 10 years old are really irrelevant to your dental situation now at 17 years old.

Teeth and especially the jaws, continue to grow and move until adulthood, so how you were then, does not reflect on how you have grown and how you are now.

I think you need to get the second opinion and maybe even a third before you panic and get too distraught about this. You are obviously highly stressed out about it all as we can see from your posts!

Wait and see what the second specialist says and then make your decisions from there on when you have a clearer picture of what is needed.

[brittany]

All I meant when I pointed out I thought she had an underbite was I thought it was starnge she had one if shes supposedly so great at fixing them. Its not like I would think of someones underbite if they werent in that job. I mean, its like a bald man selling tupees, or an overweight woman promoting a gym or diet plan, thats all I meant.

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[brittany]

Well the crowding on my bottom teeth isn't bad or anything. No one who i've asked about it has noticed. It's just like one of them doesnt look perfectly in line. I just want it fixed more for my own good so I feel as good about it as possible. That picture of my teeth is very accurate though besides the weird little dots of color.

Its not the money that makes me not want the surgery. My dad can pay for it, he wouldnt mind if I needed it. He has enough money. But it's that I don't wanna end up with my lower face all short like a guppy if it's fine to begin with.

I have an appointment somewhere else on Thursday. Which was really hard to get so quick. Because thats the only orthodontist here that does lingual braces and I figure if I cant have invisalign, I at least need to have that. I dont want metal braces.

I just think this lady was a bad orthodontist even more, the more I think about it. And the fact that there was an opening at every hour starting the day after I called, says she probably doesnt have alot of customers.

[tortor]

I'll also say that your general attitude to this is awful.

I couldnt have said it much better myself. I think your a bit too obsessed with looks and what other people will think of you. Im sure I will get alot of backlash for this comment, but its people like you who made me feel terrible about having braces and having an underbite, when neither was something I should've felt ashamed about. I'm hoping that the way you came across in your post isn't a true representation of your attitude and your character. I'm sure you know that there is alot more to life than looking perfect.

[brittany]

I dont have a bad attitude, I dont judge people on their looks but when someone is in a job where they supposedly know everything about orthdodontics and theres something off about their bite/jaw thats not very good. Its not like I care if anyone else has an underbite.

And im in a bad position here, I mean im pretty sure I dont need the surgery but now im paranoid and its upsetting and stressing me out really bad. And if it turns out she is wrong im definately filing a report against her.

[lionfish]

And im in a bad position here, I mean im pretty sure I dont need the surgery but now im paranoid and its upsetting and stressing me out really bad. And if it turns out she is wrong im definately filing a report against her.

You won't get very far.

[Arvensis]

Yeah but how can you have an underbite when all your bottom teeth are inside the top teeth???? Thats what makes no sense to me. And the fact that she didnt ask me ONE question, not ONE. And then told me I cant eat a sandwich which I know for a fact is wrong, I was just like lady wtf are you thinking when I told her that I had no idea what she was talking about and she didnt respond.

I was told for years that my bite affected my eating and I laughed it off just like you are doing now. You don't know you can't eat correctly because you've not experienced what having a correct bite is like. Like you, at your age I was angry that they'd consider my bite off, and upset, and hurt that they thought there was something physically wrong with my features. They didn't ACTUALLY feel this way about me; I took their clinical terms and interpreted it personally and you are doing the same. It's not like the lady thought ' Ooo goody, consult at 1 PM. How can I offend her today?' and came up with a diagnosis based on that.

And, I really have a feeling she was wrong.

I was so convinced they were wrong. I had screaming fights with my parents over it. I rolled my eyes. I told everyone what a rip surgery was if it wasn't necessary. I'm 8 months post-op and am so glad I got over myself and changed my mind at 25.

But still even though im pretty sure shes wrong, hearing that is very upsetting especially for someone like me who thats important to for my career.

Seriously, get over yourself. She wasn't saying it to personally traumatize you, she was doing her job. Would you prefer someone sugar coat it and pretend they can solve the issue then 10+ years from now you suddenly realize you are comparing with your grandmother the foods you can't eat because they are too CRUNCHY? Didn't think so. Been there, done that, warning you against that.

Also, when I was like 10 or something and once by a different place when I was 7 I had xrays done of all the teeth and whatever all else to see if I would need braces or anything later on and they said no. It seems like if my jaws were all jacked up one of those places would of known it. Like, the reason I went at all was just for my own good cuz I dont like the little crowding on bottom. No one else has reccomended it.

When I was like 6, 8, 10, and 12 or something I had other appliances and xrays and consults and expanders all with the assumption that I wouldn't need surgery because I'd done these things. Xrays at 10 aren't representative of an adult's jaw structure, as you grow at different rates. Just because they didn't know then, doesn't mean it's not true now. Sorry, not how it works.

Finally filing a report against her for her medical opinion is flat out immature crap and part of the cultural mentality that is plaguing our stateside medical system. Unfortunately that's not how our legal system works in this country; you don't get to just file a report against someone just because they give you an opinion you don't like or disagree with. You could have ten people telling you you're the prettiest person in the whole universe, and one person who says they think you're butt-ugly, and ther'es nothing you can do about such as it is their opinion. Same here with professional services of doctors. I'm sure you can go out there and find SOMEONE to give you the opinion you want to hear. It's a medical opinion. Under most states, unless the doctor says you are dying and you're not actually dying, you'll never get close enough for emotional distress for such to even be a consideration. Not to mention that your response here is completely unreasonable and the standard for such is how a "reasonable" person would react.

As for your ortho's jaw. You wouldn't even know what a perfect bite is. She could have the best bite in the whole world and still have a long face, still look "to you" like she's unattractive or "off" somehow. And yet, her bite could be structurally sound and everything that is to be desired from orthodontia. And you wouldn't even know the difference. All you're doing is judging her on her aesthetics. This is like saying you'd not get a nose job or a boob job from a plastic surgeon who didn't have the world's most sculpted nose or the biggest plastic boobs ever, since "obviously" then they didn't support what they practiced. It makes no sense. Everyone's reasons for doing such are different and unique, and you don't even know if she did or didn't have surgery, does or doesn't require it.

[brittany]

Gosh theres some idiots on here. Youre so defensive over my dumbass orthodontist and you dont have to say she was wrong, but youre acting like you know she was right. And you didnt understand what I said. She didnt just say I might have problems chewing or biting LATER ON or that I dont relaize it now. She told me I 100% surely cant even bite into a sandiwich, or anything more than a sandwich. Now, sorry...YOU ARE WRONG I would notice that.

I dont care if I come across as rude now cuz you give me no reason to try to be nice to you. I mean, you can tell by looking at my teeth theyre obviously not anything that needs surgery. Trust me, ive been looking at before and after pictures today. Im like the opposite of everyone like that ive seen. Im just pissed now that she would even say that.

But im done I dont want anyones advice here anymore. I mean, people complained that they needed my pictures yet no one hardly has given advice on them. Just given me opinion that I didnt ask for about how im axcting. Screw it. Thats useless.

I JUST want opinions on the pictures of my teeth now, not for people to tell me about hoe im acting on here

[brittany]

Oh. My. God.

I said I wanted opinions, but on my teeth, not my "attitude"

[Arvensis]

Gosh theres some idiots on here. Youre so defensive over my dumbass orthodontist and you dont have to say she was wrong, but youre acting like you know she was right.

Wow, what a great way to get people on your side. Hold on, I've just had an epiphany (or a brainfart) and decided you are so 100% right! I MUST be an idiot for like not agreeing with you about what a [insert choice of word here since the automatic filter is just going to delete my choice anyway] your orthodontist is! How dare she have a medical opinion that didn't condone your self diagnosis!!!

And you didnt understand what I said. She didnt just say I might have problems chewing or biting LATER ON or that I dont relaize it now. She told me I 100% surely cant even bite into a sandiwich, or anything more than a sandwich. Now, sorry...YOU ARE WRONG I would notice that.

I lived not noticing it for 25 years. I didn't realize it until I'd had surgery. Sorry, your argument fails here. You wouldn't notice it. You don't know any better. You eat your sandwiches the best you know how, you think you're doing it perfectly, that it couldn't possibly be any different or better, and you simply don't know that because you've never experienced anything else. You don't know this.

I dont care if I come across as rude now cuz you give me no reason to try to be nice to you.

Excellent. Would you care to look at my before pictures and call me manly and mean for not being gentle, kind, caring, and soft with poor abused you? By all means. Go for it. Then you can ignore my cautions and commentary about how I was told the same things as you are hearing now but went ahead and ignored those comments for 10 years until it got so bad I could no longer ignore it. Totally excellent plan.

I mean, you can tell by looking at my teeth theyre obviously not anything that needs surgery. Trust me, ive been looking at before and after pictures today. Im like the opposite of everyone like that ive seen. Im just pissed now that she would even say that.

Because you're actually a 17 year old child genius doctor who can diagnose yourself without consulting anyone else and you're secretly sick of saving people and wants to become a pop star instead for the benefits of free food at Lakers games. Right on. Girl power.

I JUST want opinions on the pictures of my teeth now, not for people to tell me about hoe im acting on here

Your pictures are too grainy to offer opinions. Unfortunately, how you are acting on here tells us much about how you will react to our opinions. Even if we were to give you opinions, it's unlikely you'd listen to them at this point considering your reaction to anyone who is in disagreement with your self-diagnosis. At any rate, only an actual qualified orthodontist is medically capable of giving you an opinion on your orthodontic requirements, and the only one whose opinion you've received, you've point blank decided is wrong and cannot possibly be accurate.

[brittany]

Uggggggggggggggh. Again you didnt read what I said. She said I just simply CANT eat a sandwich. Like, I just can not bite into one. I WOULD NOTICE THAT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH.

Blah.

No, give me your opinion on my pictures cuz im asking for that but you keep spewing on about how im acting here. At least those are the opinions I asked for.