Smallbutmighty crabby and sore since 9-10-07

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smallbutmighty
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Smallbutmighty crabby and sore since 9-10-07

#1 Post by smallbutmighty »

Hello Everyone. I feel like I already have met some really fine friends by reading this board. I am a retired nurse and enjoy a private practice as a Certified Healing Touch Practitioner and teacher of many energy therapy modalities. Here is my 11 day journey so far. After spending countless helpful hours on this site over several weeks, I got my braces on thursaday, january 11, 2007. This is exactly 4 months before my 65th birthday, so by that time, I should be 1/3 through the proposed year's treatment. We are treating the lowers only, and it has been a long time coming. And of course, I watched that area shifting for the last 10 years, and waited to take the plunge after I retired, have little discetionary income, and also have no insurance coverage for this. (duh) The lower arch is crowded. The 6 middle teeth are the focus-- the 2 on the far right are the worst, with the outside one being rotated totally sideways, and the one next to it tilted forward more each year. For the last 5 years those 2 teeth were bonded together to help hold the forward one from moving anymore. The other 4 teeth are all crowded together, with the last 2 on the left turning in opposite directions from each other making an upside down V and slight overlapping of one of those and the 2 middle. To make matters uglier looking, there has been gum recession-- the "long in the tooth" look, (some gum actually having been "chased away" by too agressive brushing and also over-zelously cut away during dental procedures). There have been 3 gingival grafts. The good news is the teeth are solidly anchored in the bone. I have several dentists-- Mark 1 is my regular guy to whom I have been going for many years (I worked with his mother 43 years ago, and his father was my intro to novacaine in the 60's); my husband's dentist ( high tech, and with very big hands) who has done a couple of my extractions with anesthesia; and my TMJ specialist, Mark 2 (metaphysically oriented like I am). Back in '99 I had a root canal done on the tooth next to the sideways one. Mark 1 began referring to it as "the tooth from hell." (17 visits to him and other specialists which included retreating the root canal, gingival grafts, lots of money, and continued problems up through this summer.) I kept getting the advice to pull it, in fact pull the rest of the crowded bunch, and get a permanent bridge. From April through August I had repeated infections, the last one sending me to the emergency room at 10pm because no dentist was returning my call that day. After 3 weeks and 3 more rounds of antibiotics with only moderate improvement, I threw in the towel and had it pulled. Then my TMJ guy said, "This is a blessing in disguise. Now we can more easily straighten those teeth and we won't have to pull a good one" (probably the tilter). We had been talking about the possibility of braces for close to 6 months, and so here it is finally happening. For years I thought about it and had a collection of orthodontic names, but never called. I decided to use Dr. "Mark 2," my TMJ dentist (who by the way was the specialist before and after my bilateral TMJ reconstruction surgery in '91), because I trust him, he has the training, and we've had a personal/family relationship since 1990. I also liked the idea of the one on one contact with my provider.

So the spacers went in on Jan. 8. I had 3 plastics and one metal. It felt similar to the feel of the TMJ appliances I have had, the pressure and not being able to make full contact between upper and lower teeth. On the 3rd day, one on the right kept loosening, and i got it shoved back in. It was in the space that was already the widest. I had my "last supper" of ribs. The rogue spacer was there when I brushed after supper, but then I had dessert, and it wasn't there anymore. Yum. The next day was bracing day, and it all went pretty well, except for when Dr. Mark was using a little rotary device to crack open the bonding on those 2 teeth, he also opened my lip. The bands took the longest time because of the sizes. He was also a little sloppy with the adhesive, and there is some left in small patches on my bracketed teeth. When they were on, I was aprehensive to feel how big and sharp the brackets attached were. He used very small brackets, and when placed, they are really close togther because of the angles of the teeth and the fact that the teeth are so small. (I am only 5' tall.) Thankfully I didn't smell or taste anything that was used. The wire was placed without trouble, although I got a little trembly feeling when he was doing this. It didn't seem like very much pressure after the ligatures were placed. When he gave me my cleaning "tool kit" and held the mirror up to me to show how to use some of the items, I almost freaked at what I saw. I didn't think that the braces would show, but I barely had to crack my lips open and they shined right through. They are really up front and they show some when I talk, too, depending on the words spoken. So by the time I got home, my cheeks were raw from the back brackets. The pressure had increased on the teeth-- it also felt like the TMJ plastic appliances I had used for years. I toughed it out until bedtme before putting wax on those back brackets. My husband felt the sharp brackets and the front ones, and was suitably empathetic. I ate soup for supper that night and breakfast the next day, and potatoes at lunch. Then we went to a friend's for dinner. I had told her in advance about getting braces the day before, and since she had had them for 3 years, she told me her story, and said there wouldn't be anything difficult to eat. But even the really tender chicken in teeny weeny bites was difficult, the beans were too crisp even in tiny bites, I passed on the salad, and chowed down on the sweet potatoes. I went to clean my teeth, only to find that I had also eaten one whole pice of wax (double yum), and that I couldn't even get that tiny little flossing brush in between those really close together brackets.

Flossing in general has been a candidate for "America's Funniest Home Videos." The spaces between my teeth have been so tight, that I could only use special thin non-shredding floss. I tried the floss threader and the first one came apart. No good. In the meantime, the drool is puddling on the sink top below. I also tried the threader floss which just bent at the edge on the first try. And, another saliva fountain. (Since first writing this I thank one of you who suggested bringing the floss from the top down for the bottom teeth, and it works better, but is still a slobbery hassle.) So far my favorite cleaning devices are the ole standby orange dental picks and the tiny flosser brushes. And the waterpik.

It is 5 days later now, and things have begun to change. There is a little space between the 2 teeth that were slightly overlapped! The flossing brush now fits in where it didn't before. And a minute space (only big enough to floss) is developing between the sideways and tipping tooth that was formerly bonded together, and maybe it isn't quite tipped as forward as it was. This is exciting.

My mouth feels different from moment to moment, with the focus seeming to migrate from one tooth to another. The only time that I don't notice the braces so much is upon awakening. I keep wanting to flip them out like I used to do with the plastic splints. One of the banded molars is sometimes sore-- i am thinking it might be due to the band pushed into the gum line there. And that is the tooth that was just crowned, so that is worriesome. I still can't imagine a year of this. I have to applaud all of you out there who have full mouths of hardware and appliances and have been at this a long time. One moment I wonder what can of worms I might have opened, and another time I am thanking myself for finally getting on with a really old and worriesome issue.

That magical time that you all have spoken of happened most of yesterday and continues into today. I noticed that I didn't focus so much on the mouth of metal, but felt that it is part of who I am now. Those banded teeth aren't so bothersome now, except when I try to chew. Ham, broccoli, and pierogies didn't work last night. I added them to a can of potato soup and put it in the blender. It was delicious. Sorry, I really do like pureed soups. My husband thinks it is a crime.

Next day, January 22. I asked my hubby to take some pictures, and we got into a giggle fest which also showed up at odd moments through the day. I guess i have reached the "if you got 'em, flaunt 'em" stage. So now I wait patiently for my first adjustment on February 8th, the day before our 43rd anniversary.

A couple of days ago I got my Medicare card! Yikes, it will activate on May 1st. I don't consider myself a senior (except when there are discounts available!) and think of myself as more of the middle-age club. If there are any others in there pre golden years, I'd like to hear about your experiences. And I have really learned a lot from the younger crowd, so keep the stories and the advice coming.

Thanks to all.
Peace and joy.
Ruth :D
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#2 Post by smallbutmighty »

Hi Karen.
It is great to hear from you. You have a very interesting history and treatment record. I am glad I will not have to endure what you have had. I am grateful for all of the research you have done and shared with the group. I think by the number of posts hat you have, you must have "talked" to about everyone who has been on the board. You are one amazing woman. :-9


Ruth :D

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#3 Post by neelie »

Ruth, You certainly have had an interesting journey. It is amazing how quickly we see change. Flossing in places that we couldn't when the braces were first placed on. Spaces where teeth were tight and no space where there were gaps. Age is just a number and won't it be wonderful when your teeth are straight...I know I'll be smiling all the time when I'm done with my treatment. I'd been holding ortho phone numbers for three years and never called for an evaluation until Sept 2006. I've been braced since Oct. 5, 2006 at the age of 56. Nice to have company!

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#4 Post by smallbutmighty »

Hello Neelie,
Thanks for writing! I will have to catch up with your journey later tonight. I am glad to know there are others in a similar age bracket doing this. Isn't it amazing to see what we all put up with for so many years before taking care of major issues! I am on my 5th day after my first adjustment. No new wire but some figure 8 ligs and something else that looks like III and IIII. I feel the pressure all of the time, and teeth really feel like they are really up into my lip more so than before, which I am sure they aren't. It is just the sensitivity. And the 2 end ones are irritating my lips, so I finally put wax on them and they feel better. Also the teeth sort of feel "individual." like "picket fences." I took some more pictures and see minor changes. Haven't figured out how to blog them yet. Spent some frustrating hours with that. HAve you posted pictures here or on a different web site? I'd like to see them if you have. Best wishes for continued improvement and an easy experience.
Ruth :D

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#5 Post by smallbutmighty »

Thanks Karen,
I have even copied the how to directions that are posted and read them a number of times. What you have just written sounds "easier" somehow. I am hoping to get to posting in a few days. Spent some time just downloading pix and editing. Have been snowed in here, prepared for events and appts. that were to have happened at my house and elsewhere, but now are all rescheduled, except for Sunday. Teeth really do feel looser tonight. That comes and goes. So does the achey, and I am grateful for some of it because it is a sign that something is happening!
Ruth :D

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#6 Post by BritGirl »

Hi Ruth,

Another Ruth here too! :D I hope that snow has subsided and you're able to get to your appointments. I know what you mean about that "loose" feeling. Mine to are feeling like that after only a week and I have to resist the temptation to push them with my tongue!

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#7 Post by smallbutmighty »

Hi Denise,
I have also been reading your posts, and have read your story. Seeing your smiling, colorful avatar always make me smile. Thanks for the good wishes, and the same for you. 2 weeks to my 2nd adjustment, and things are definitely changing. It is hard to believe that it will take a year to rearrange 6 teeth, but we are taking it s-l-o-w-l-y and gently. I have never gotten involved in any message boards before, but it has been so interesting that it is hard not to want to have all of the support and friendly advice that is available. I look forward to your continued story.
ruth :D
It's all in how you see yourself!

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Finally got the pictures posted

#8 Post by smallbutmighty »

Hi Friends,
I believe I've gotten this picture project somewhat in hand. I did want to have them post directly, but for now there are links. I was braced on january 11, '07. The pics with the white ligatures were taken on Jan. 22, and there were already minor changes as noted in my original post above. So the gold ligatures are from my first adjustment, Feb. 8. No change in wire, but note the ligature configuration to 8's and doubles.
On my right note the rotated tooth and the tilter tooth (already pushed in somewhat. On the left are the 2 that are turning in opposite directions.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125 ... 94x637.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125 ... 010138.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125 ... 0116-1.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125 ... 010144.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125 ... 010106.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125 ... 010139.jpg


When I downloaded the pictures to photobucket in a specific order one at a time, they did not appear that way in the photo album, and I can't seem to rearrange them. I am tired of spending so much time on this. And it is less then 2 weeks to the next adjustment, and I will take more pics then and try again. Any direct download advice would be appreciated. I have even tried to send a test pictue to myself 3 times, but i have not gotten them.
Hope you are all warm, dry, and safe in this weird weather we are having in the USA. Someday I will make it to the southern hemisphere for a winter vacation. :)
ruth :heart:
It's all in how you see yourself!

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#9 Post by victor36 »

Hi Ruth!

If you want to post the pic's instead of using a hyperlink, book-end the picture url with Image on the right. No space between Image

you'll notice the "Img" button on the top so you just click the button, type the web address, click the button again... Voila!

Hope this helps! And the gold ligs look awesome!

~Victor
B-day: 02/06/07
Adjustments: 04/03/07, 05/30/07, 07/25/07, 09/18/07, 11/15/07, 01/10/08, 03/04/08, 05/08/08
Debonding: 07/01/08
18 month prognosis
Actual Treatment Time: 1 year, 4 months, 25 days
Click on the Image ↓↓ below for my story.

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#10 Post by smallbutmighty »

Thanks, Victor.
Next adjustment time-- which is next thursday the 8th-- I'll give it another try.
It's all in how you see yourself!

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#11 Post by smallbutmighty »

Hey, KIWI,
Thanks for the pictures and the compliment! :D My next adjustment is Thursday the 8th. The rotated tooth and the now almost not tilted tooth next to it have been tender the last couple of days. Can't wait to see what happens next!
It's all in how you see yourself!

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Smallbutmighty 2nd adjustment

#13 Post by smallbutmighty »

Hi Everyone,
Today I had my 2nd adjustment. I am feeling it now, although at first it was only a little more pressure. I got a new stronger wire today and the same figure 8 ligature configuration. MArk2 told me that I would like the feel of this better, that it will feel more snug and supported, and less wobbly. It did feel slightly better up until this evening. (Eating was a little uncomfortable tonight, even though the food was fairly soft.) The feeling of the last few weeks is continuing-- a weird feeling that I have a sense of each tooth separately. And now they are being pushed more forcefully each separately, and are getting achey. Last month they felt really forward into my lips, even though in reality they have been moved inward. I am amazed at how much they have moved, and MArk told me that the movement was more than he expected. I also got good hygiene marks. But that was "expected because I am an adult, and adults usually do a good job. They don't leave a tuna sandwich in there for a week and then come in." :lol: I also found out that I am not his oldest client-- someone suprasses me by 4 years. He mostly has adult patients (TMJ specialist).
I'll post some new pictures tomorrow. I am eager to compare them with the previous. Now it is the claening ritual again-- more times than usual today due to the appointment. ANd I am on my 3rd waterpik of the day because i had tabouli for lunch and just like the spinach, the parsley just doesn't go away! :) DOes anyone else have Aladdin's restaurants in their area? Great middle eastern food.
It's all in how you see yourself!

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smallbutmighty 2nd adjust. pictures 3-9-07

#14 Post by smallbutmighty »

Hi Everyone,
Today has been a "tender toofers" day, as bracedagain would say. Chewing uncomfortable, forget biting entirely, only 6 teeth involved, but everyone in the mouth is uncomfortable, and so is my TM joints. Doing tylenol and soft foods. It does feel "snug" all right, and this time it is the 2 teeth on the left going in opposite directions that are hollering the most. Here are the pictures.

Sorry a couple of them are big. They are all sized the same in my album, but I don't know why 2 of them won't behave. I have tried and tried to fix them, but the only way would be to make them really small. So sorry for the disruption of the column size.
Image first picture 1-22- 07

Image 3-9-07

Image 1-22-07

Image 3-9-07

Image 1-22-07


Image 3-9-07

Good progress overall. I am happy. :D But if I am hurting as much right now with just 6 teeth, I can't imagine what the rest of you are going through. You have my standing ovation! :jump: :-**
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#15 Post by victor36 »

EXCELLENT progress, Ruth!!!!

Very inspiring!!!

(I just posted my own updated photos if you'd like to see)


~Victor
B-day: 02/06/07
Adjustments: 04/03/07, 05/30/07, 07/25/07, 09/18/07, 11/15/07, 01/10/08, 03/04/08, 05/08/08
Debonding: 07/01/08
18 month prognosis
Actual Treatment Time: 1 year, 4 months, 25 days
Click on the Image ↓↓ below for my story.

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