not yet braced at 35.. But will be on Oct 11th!

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snaggletooth steve
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not yet braced at 35.. But will be on Oct 11th!

#1 Post by snaggletooth steve »

Here I am again... only a few more days until the 26th of Sept when I meet a second Orthodontist. To make things fun I'm also meeting a third on on the 28th. I also found out about another one yesterday that I might go see as well.

Anyway, I'll update on this thread as soon as the results roll in from these consults.

Steve

Ortho #1
Pros: well respected in local dental community, proven results, personally known by me
Cons: wants me to get three extractions, changed number of extractions after I resisted, told me I'm a difficult case and generally left me feeling unsure of the final results
Notes: this is not Dr Personality!

Ortho #2
Pros: spent 45 mins talking to me on first visit, great staff, well run office and plenty of clients, EXCELLENT personality. Slightly better price if paid in full within 30 days.
Cons: wants two extractions (both uppers), also said I'm a difficult case but reassured me they could handle it.

Ortho #3
Pros: sprent plenty of time talking to me on first visit, great staff and office seems very nice. Didn't see any other clients. Doesn't want to do any extractions now, said wait and see how things progress on the uppers. Can have me braced within two weeks.
Cons: most costly of the three so far by about $700 - although if no extractions are needed this would be offset

Ortho #4
Pros: most modern office equipment, digital xrays etc, Doctor did consult, they did xrays and photos for consult for free, wants to go with no extractions for now, includes clear brackets in price, very imformative presentation
Cons: Had argument with girl up front about financial responsibility info - I didn't see need to give all my info for a consult and the finally agreed, not much of a discount for full payment in cash
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#2 Post by Smiley77 »

Hi Steve!

Was wondering how you were doing.

GL with the next two appointments, do let us know!
7 extractions 19 July 2006

8 spacers put in 7th August


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I can't wait for that perfect smile

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#3 Post by ssfw »

Hi Steve,

Good luck with your consultation appts. Keep going to consultations until you find the ortho that you like and agree with his/her treatment plan.

I went to 4 consultations and feel like I made the best choice in orthos - they are the best (2 brothers) and their staff are just as great. It really makes the ortho treatment so pleasant when you like the ortho and their staff and you are in agreement with the treatment plan.

Keep us posted.

ssfw
Quad-Helix expander: 1/20/06 - 1/16/07
Upper braces: 5/19/06; lower braces: 9/7/06

Braces removed: 8/19/08
Received retainer: 8/26/08 - wearing retainer 24 hours/day

Next appt.: 11/18/08

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#4 Post by snaggletooth steve »

Thanks for the good wishes everyone. I'm back from the second Ortho.

I was very impressed in many ways with the entire operation. From the street, it just seemed like more of a fly by night deal than the first ortho. The reality is this office is much more spacious (the first office is plagued with lack of room for ANYTHING - I should know since I do work for them frequently). The second Ortho's office was very busy but the atmosphere was more relaxed. The Ortho himself was great.. very friendly and never once glanced at the clock. When we finished meeting (about 40 mins total) he asked once more if I had any other questions. Nice guy. I haven't had 45 mins of conversation with the first ortho TOTAL in the five+ years I've done work for him.

Ok so all of that aside.. He said surgery would be needed to make my bite perfect, but in no way would he push me to get it. That is up to me and my expectations for the treatment. He did want some extractions, but only two on the top. He said there would be no gaps on top so no need for bridges. On the bottom he said no need to remove either tooth that the first ortho wanted out. No headgear but he couldn't rule out some other appliances. Basically he needs my records from the first ortho to work all of that out. So then there was some other displeasing news. Due to my level of crowding, he said the first ortho's hopes for 24 month treatment seemed overly optimistic. He feels more like 30 months. :x

The last thing he said was that I should meet the other two ortho's in town to get their opinions and then choose. The final 'bad' news is that the earliest they could band me is November. :evil:

The good news is they have a 8% discount if I pay up front. This brings my total cost down a decent amount from the first ortho.. not bad!

Ok so now Thursday the 28th for #3. I'm seriously considering meeting #4 since he has been recommended by someone I know.

More news on Thurs.

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#5 Post by Matty »

Hi Steve! Good luck to you with your consults. It sure makes a difference when someone takes the time to talk to you and answer all your questions, doesn't it? It's such a big decision - I'm glad you are taking the time to make the right one! Let us know how the next one goes! :)

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#6 Post by xtrememkovr »

Steve,

I've been reading up on what you've been going thru the past few days (I mean - I've been reading the past few days - obviously what you have been going thru has lasted longer than a few days :( ) and I have to say that I see some pretty great positives from this experience. From the inside looking in - I have to say that this could be a blessing in disguise.

#1: You've got to meet some really great doctors - have been able to take a proactive role in your treatment - and because of that you're no longer a "victim" to your treatment but a participant.

#2: You've placed yourself in the role of an actual consumer - someone who is holding all the chips in your hand and can pick the person who will best help you utilize those chips. Truly a much more POWERFUL position to be in.

#3: You've had more of a chance to make an informed and EDUCATED decision. I jumped right in - I have no idea if I am getting the right treatment, though I trust the ORTHO more than enough to let him begin my treatment - if financially I had more options I would have taken the time (like you were put in the position of doing) to actually gt more opinions about my teeth and treatment. Who knows - I might get different results as well as pay less with a few more days of actual research...

I just know that this will end up positively for you! I'm impressed with your diligence and your commitment to making this change and wish only the best of luck in your journey.

X.

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#7 Post by snaggletooth steve »

Thanks again everyone for the positive wishes and comments. Having experienced the second Ortho office really opened up my eyes about some things the first Ortho's office did the 'wrong way', if you will. I use the word 'wrong' loosely, as they did successfully convey their treatment plan to me but they certainly ruined my attitude with their tact. What I mean is the way they told me what I needed done.

The one thing that stands out from my first consultation is the following statement by the lady doing the consult:

"Steve, I've known you for all of these years and never realized how bad it was."

I believe some idle chat occurred and the second negative statement she made in agreement to something my wife said was "yeah, it's bad".

The whole first Ortho consult was 'bad' and left me in a 'bad' mood for weeks. I'm still not fully recovered from that visit! I set myself up to expect a straightforward treatment plan and left there in shards. I'm not sure how much blame to put on them, but I sure wish I'd gone to this second Ortho in the first place. He told me nearly the same thing (but by no means insisting on the surgery like the first had) and even though there were still two extractions on his treatment plan, I was made to understand how there would be no gaps at the conclusion. What a difference wording makes, huh!?

steve

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#8 Post by xtrememkovr »

Steve,

The way people say things most DEFINITELY makes a difference. Maybe I'm reading too much into things - things that really don't have a place in *your* story - but what it makes me think of is this:

For many many years I was ashamed of my teeth. I was ashamed of many many other things in regards to my appearance - but I was DEFINITELY ashamed of my teeth. I felt that I had "let them go". I had virtually ran away from every dentist - and did not take my dental hygiene very seriously at all. When I first went in to get the deep cleaning done after knowing full well that I had severe periodontal disease (and feared that I had had too much bone loss to even save the teeth I had) the last thing that I needed or wanted to hear from my dentist was "omg! This is BAD!" I felt ashamed enough - it was hard enough to go there - and while I needed to be made aware of how important caring for my teeth were, there was a bit of "healing" that I needed from my dentist as well. Luckily for me I was present enough to tell my Dr. (after he called in another dentist to look at the calcification that had collected on two of my teeth) "Am I going to lose my teeth?" to which he replied, "not today." I think my question shook him, however, and from that moment on he made sure to tell me how seriously close I had come to ruining any chance of having teeth to straighten but he made sure also to tell me that the problem COULD be fixed. Aside from having another Dr. come in to look at my teeth, he never let me know just how bad of a condition my teeth were in - and I know that it was bad (Swelling gums - bleeding gums - plaque for days, etc.) He made sure that I knew that no matter how "bad" I had been - he would do all he could (with my assistance) to save my teeth and make sure this didn't happen again ever.

Bedside manner is everything to me. Feeling ashamed and embarrassed does nothing but delay the next appointment to the dentist/orthodontist - and I think that it is imperative that those who we come to for care keep that in mind.

*steps off soap box*

Again - good job for being present enough to go for another opinion. I believe that a healthy smile is just around the "corner" for you and that your persistence will pay off.

X.

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#9 Post by snaggletooth steve »

It certainly is an important lesson that there are more than two ways to say the same thing. I think I'll have to apply that more often in my own work.

One thing I've found in all of the businesses I've done work for: employee attitude in general comes from the top down. I'm not sure if it's because the boss likes to surround people like him/herself with similar people or if it is simply learned behaviour. It really just took me a point of reference (the second Ortho) to realize the attitude I've dealt with from #1 for all of these years. While the people who work there have been nice, the Dr really hasn't ever been very friendly.

In about 45 mins I'll be heading out the door to my third consult. Now I've got to schedule one with #4 and last in town. From what I understand, #4 is the youngest/newest one of them in town and has the most modern treatment methods of the four. A friend's daughter just went through the same process I am and she picked him. So far she's very happy with them. We'll see!

steve

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#10 Post by snaggletooth steve »

Back from #3

A very good consultation. This guy wants to leave all of my teeth in place and start by banding me. He said within six months we'd know if anything needed to come out on the top row. We discussed the possibility of shaving a couple to avoid extractions as well. Basically it seems he's willing to do whatever he can to save all of my remaining teeth. I like this because like he said, you can't put them back in once you take them out. An added bonus is a faster start date - in fact he can have me banded in the next couple of weeks.

The downside is the cost - maybe $700 more than the other two. If I avoid extractions that would be offset a bit though. I'm not really looking to find the best price though but I would have liked to have just paid for the whole thing up front for the 5% discount. They did say if I paid it off early I'd still get 5% so....

Now I'm scheduled for the last Ortho for the 9th. I'm tempted to just choose this guy and get started. I'd like to avoid paralysis by analysis because the 4th guy is likely to give pretty much the same treatment plan as the other two. I need to think about this.

Steve

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#11 Post by joney »

Hi Steve

I am so glad that things are going so much better for you in your treatment decision. You sound much more positive about the whole thing.

I think you are right and people just don't realise the effect that careless remarks can have. I've had remarks about my teeth that have been hurtful (not from the orthodontist!), one guy I work with (when I showed him my bottom teeth) asked if "they hurt", not just a hurtful comment but rather silly too! I would have thought that when dealing with adults, who obviously don't visit an orthodontist if they are happy with their teeth, then the staff should be more sensitive.

I know that once you have made your decision and get started that things will go so well for you.

My extractions (2) will be on 5th October and I get my brace fitted on October 27th.

Best wishes
Joney :D

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#12 Post by snaggletooth steve »

Well #4 had an early opening so I went in this morning. They did xrays and full photos immediately. In fact, short of molds they did pretty much everything I paid $200 to get done at the first ortho. Unfortunately their mold process is different and I'll have to pay for records all over if I go with this Ortho.

Ok so the overall impression I got from #4 is very positive. They have the most up to date software and case presentation system I've seen. All xrays are digital and were already on the screen in the consultation room. The Dr himself did the entire presentation with an assistant taking notes. He seems very conservative about surgery and extractions and wants to start without any. He doesn't think I'll need any up top but could change his mind with treatment progress.

Price is in the middle of the others but there are some interesting things here. First, they use no bands (except in very specific cases). They also apply all of the brackets at once instead of individually. The price automatically includes clears on the upper front 6 or 8. This alone brings their price to the best deal - if you want clears. They also seem extremely efficient with scheduling and can get me in tomorrow for records and have me braced next Thursday.

At this point I'm stuck choosing between #3 and #4. I like them equally as far as personality. They can both get me in pretty quick. #3 is the most expensive and I'm pretty sure that is for metal brackets. Money isn't the issue here so I'm trying to ignore that. More people have recommended #4 which I will weigh in.

One thing of concern (to me) is the frequency of visits. #4 said every ten weeks because of the bracket system they use. Is this ok?

Overall I'm leaning towards #4 because I was introduced to every member of the staff (and there were plenty) and I like the efforts he's put into staying modern. Oh and there is one final reason to like them... Haha, they have the best looking staff by far. 8)

Decisions, decisions...

steve

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#13 Post by joney »

Hi Steve

You have a lot to consider now don't you. Sounds like your gonna go with 3 or 4. If they are going to try to sort things out without extractions then that sounds great.

Ortho 4 may be going to use damon brackets or similar, that is what my ortho suggested for me. You don't need to go as often with these, my ortho said every 8 - 10 weeks.

Best of luck with your decision. It looks as though you may beat me in getting braced. My extractions are scheduled now for Nov 2nd, I'm waiting now to reschedule the date for my brace to be put on.

Don't be swayed by those pretty faces!!

Regards
Joney

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#14 Post by snaggletooth steve »

Well I've decided to use #4.. My wife said I'm constantly telling people about how impressed I was with their office and staff. Everything else seems to work out and since I don't like his personality the best of the 4, I feel like its not a decision based on him just being the nice guy.

I've submitted my financial responsibility info and have been expecting a call back... none yet so now we're looking at Monday. They couldn't have scheduled me in before Tuesday anyway. Lets hope they didn't think my credit was too bad! Haha! I decided I'm going to use their "interest free" financing and pay off my only credit card balance with part of the money I saved up.

If everything goes as planned, I should be braced either 10/12 or 10/19. Ooh hmmm.. the 19th isn't good - family function out of town on the 22nd. Hoping for this coming week then. Still haven't broke the news to my original Ortho. One of his assistants knows I'm shopping around. They'll know soon!

Steve

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#15 Post by snaggletooth steve »

Haha Ken... as a MARRIED guy, I'm still gonna like my appointments with this staff LOL. Of course they're pretty young and I'm an old guy with crooked teeth, so my wife just laughs at my interest in them. 8)

Financially speaking, I'll do it either way.. will just have to put $2000 of it back on that credit card. I just hate to owe money to anyone charging me interest. Mainly this is going to be a question of timing.

I'm just ready to get this over with. Was at a social event this week and it really hit me that life could be even better after braces. In fact, in my case even WITH braces. Any of you with particularly bad crowding and a history of less than perfect dental care can certainly relate to this. A lot of people you THIS IS SPAM REPORT TO ADMIN THIS IS SPAM REPORT TO ADMIN THIS IS SPAM REPORT TO ADMIN THIS IS SPAM REPORT TO ADMIN with just cannot help glances to your teeth when you're speaking. I certainly can't blame them... I do the same thing to people with perfect teeth! :D

So the plan is they are going to put my tops on first.. bring those into better positioning to keep them from contacting the lower brackets. Dr said could be a few months before the bottoms go on. I see a bite turbo in my future too but maybe I'll get lucky. I have no problem with tops only for a while.. maybe the initial discomfort won't be as bad, but I'd have to go through it twice. Kind of like 90 days same as cash with 50% down, huh?


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