Kathy in VA's missing laterals saga
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Kathy in VA's missing laterals saga
The problem: I had a space between my upper left "lateral incisor" and central incisor due to some splaying. I didn't like this and thought fixing this problem would be just a quick cosmetic fix, perhaps with veneers. Additionally, I had a significant overbite, retained primary (baby) upper canines in the adult canine position, congenitally missing upper lateral incisors, and adult canines bonded to look like lateral incisors in the lateral incisor position. No major problems on the lower arch.
Background: I had upper and lower retainers as a teenager to correct a space between the upper central incisors and to correct minor bite issues. I stopped wearing these at about age 20.
The consults (I had a lot of these due to the cost involved and because of the major step treatment would be):
Fall 1998 - my regular dentist (dentist #1) suggested veneers to close the space, but I sat on this.
1999 - ortho consult #1 recommended pulling the baby canines, removing the bonding from the canines, pulling them back to their anatomically correct positions, and placing lateral incisor implants. Again, I sat on this as it was a drastic, expensive plan.
October 2001 - Another general dentist (dentist #2) was noncommital and suggested I see an orthodontist.
October 2001 - Orthodontic consult #2 - this guy said I could get away with veneers and thought ortho #1's plan was too drastic
November 2001 - Dentist specializing in cosmetic work (dentist #3) said I could get away with veneers.
December 2001 - Another dentist specializing in cosmetic work (dentist #4) took full orthodontic records and had a meeting with an orthodontist and a periodontist to discuss my case. The verdict? Baby canines had very short roots, wouldn't last much past age 40. He recommended the same plan as orthodontist #1 and explained that not having adult canines in the canine position would compromise the health of my other teeth. He recommended I see orthodontist #3.
Orthodontist #3 said that it would be a complete waste of money to do anything other than the plan that dentist #4 recommended.
December 2001 - yet another dentist specializing in cosmetic work (dentist #5) was in total and complete agreement with dentist #4. He also took full ortho records and consulted with an orthodontist before giving me his treatment plan.
At this point I had to choose a treatment plan and a restorative dentist. I chose dentist #4 due to his attention to detail, his reputation, and his experience. I had spent countless hours on the internet doing research into my condition and concluded that his was the best plan. He prefers to work with orthodontist #3, but this ortho was not on my insurance plan, so he chose one off of the list of providers for me, orthodontist #4.
Orthodontist #4 said definitely ortho work needed to be done and deferred to dentist #4's treatment plan. At this point I had records done yet again. OY! Am I sick of dentists at this point? Yes! But excited as well. I might also point out that I had a bit of a difficult time with my husband and convincing him to commit to spending the money for this. He came around eventually.
March 2002:
Week 1: brackets bonded - I had clear on the upper central incisors and "lateral incisors", metal on the others. Lowers had to wait because of my overbite. Also spacers were placed.
Week 2: bands for upper first molars were fitted and sent off to the lab so that a transpalatal arch could be made
Week 3: transpalatal arch with bands bonded into place, archwire engaged.
Man, did that hurt!!! Ortho decided to rotate my molars with the TPA and I could really not eat any food, even soft for the first few days. The TPA was a nuisance and hurt my tongue. It left an impression in it and it was not sitting on the roof of my mouth so all kinds of stuff got wrapped around it.
Baby canines were extracted about 2 months later and the monumental task of moving the canines was begun with coils between the central incisors and canines plus powerchains from the molars to the canines. Believe it or not, this only took about 7 months.
During the next several months I had almost daily bite changes and at times had only two teeth, top and bottom, that actually came together when I bit down. This was unnerving, but eventually was resolved.
9 months after the upper brackets were placed, the lowers were bonded.
I walked around with some really big spaces in my mouth for several months until I could get fake teeth made and tied into my braces to replace the missing lateral incisors. I'm surprised now that I was not embarrassed walking around looking like a hillbilly.
Winter 2003 - My orthodontist made me some new teeth, which I was initially shocked by and did not like at all. My hubby liked them though, so I got used to them as well. He sent me back to my restorative dentist to check on the crown positioning of the teeth. These need to be ideal for the restoration and the restorative guy is the expert here. I also spent some time in class 2 elastics to correct the overbite.
April 2003 - The restorative dentist said that the crowns had ideal placement. Yippee! Maybe I'll get out of these braces sooner than the projected 24-30 months. He sent me to the periodontist who will do the surgical implant placement.
April 2003 - Periodontist does x-rays and says it's a good thing I went to him before getting my braces off. The roots of the canines are tilted much too far forward, not leaving enough space for implants. He sends a note to my orthodontist telling him that he needs the roots moved.
April 2003 - October 2003 - Orthodontist uses some heavy rectangular wires to achieve root torque. He mutters on occasion that this task would be impossible due to the long roots of my canines and the fact that they are bent near the ends. He sends me back to my periodontist.
October 2003 - Perio does another set of x-rays and they reveal VIRTUALLY NO MOVEMENT in the past 6 months Man, was I upset. I get a another orthodontic opinion, just to make sure my orthodontist is doing all he can to accomplish root torque. This ortho says my ortho is doing a good job. I'm still upset. Keep in mind also that none of the movement that is supposed to be taking place is visable. It's really hard to be motivated with this treatment not seeing (visually) any changes like I did in the first year when I saw almost daily changes.
October 2003 - April 2004 - Ortho changes out the ceramic brackets on my canines out for metal ones that are slanted. He puts these at a pretty severe angle. Unfortunately, they don't like to stay on my teeth and every time a heavier archwire is engaged, they pop off. ARRRGGGH! But hey, he did get that nasty TPA out in January, so that was good...only I didn't much notice the difference with it being gone. He also sent me to my restorative dentist to have him make new fake teeth that would not need to be tied into the braces in hopes that this might free up the canines somewhat since they no longer had to be tied to the central incisors. The restorative dentist did a beautiful job with the new teeth...a glimpse of what is to come with the implant crowns.
April 2004 - I see the periodontist AGAIN...boy is this getting old. Perio looks at the x-rays and says that there has been some movement, but not enough. I ask him if maybe I shouldn't just get bridges instead since I'm really sick of being in braces. He says that I've come this far, I might as well finish it and get it done the best way rather than have regrets later.
April 2004 - September 2004 - Orthodontist has placed strategic bends in my archwire to accentuate root divergence. Hopefully this will work.
September 2004- Ortho does a panorex and remarks that the right needs more work. I look at it think it looks much better than last time. Ortho has me wear elastics an upside-down and rightside-up triangle configuration now. I have no idea what this is supposed to do. He says he'll send me back to the periodontist in early November.
More to come.....
Background: I had upper and lower retainers as a teenager to correct a space between the upper central incisors and to correct minor bite issues. I stopped wearing these at about age 20.
The consults (I had a lot of these due to the cost involved and because of the major step treatment would be):
Fall 1998 - my regular dentist (dentist #1) suggested veneers to close the space, but I sat on this.
1999 - ortho consult #1 recommended pulling the baby canines, removing the bonding from the canines, pulling them back to their anatomically correct positions, and placing lateral incisor implants. Again, I sat on this as it was a drastic, expensive plan.
October 2001 - Another general dentist (dentist #2) was noncommital and suggested I see an orthodontist.
October 2001 - Orthodontic consult #2 - this guy said I could get away with veneers and thought ortho #1's plan was too drastic
November 2001 - Dentist specializing in cosmetic work (dentist #3) said I could get away with veneers.
December 2001 - Another dentist specializing in cosmetic work (dentist #4) took full orthodontic records and had a meeting with an orthodontist and a periodontist to discuss my case. The verdict? Baby canines had very short roots, wouldn't last much past age 40. He recommended the same plan as orthodontist #1 and explained that not having adult canines in the canine position would compromise the health of my other teeth. He recommended I see orthodontist #3.
Orthodontist #3 said that it would be a complete waste of money to do anything other than the plan that dentist #4 recommended.
December 2001 - yet another dentist specializing in cosmetic work (dentist #5) was in total and complete agreement with dentist #4. He also took full ortho records and consulted with an orthodontist before giving me his treatment plan.
At this point I had to choose a treatment plan and a restorative dentist. I chose dentist #4 due to his attention to detail, his reputation, and his experience. I had spent countless hours on the internet doing research into my condition and concluded that his was the best plan. He prefers to work with orthodontist #3, but this ortho was not on my insurance plan, so he chose one off of the list of providers for me, orthodontist #4.
Orthodontist #4 said definitely ortho work needed to be done and deferred to dentist #4's treatment plan. At this point I had records done yet again. OY! Am I sick of dentists at this point? Yes! But excited as well. I might also point out that I had a bit of a difficult time with my husband and convincing him to commit to spending the money for this. He came around eventually.
March 2002:
Week 1: brackets bonded - I had clear on the upper central incisors and "lateral incisors", metal on the others. Lowers had to wait because of my overbite. Also spacers were placed.
Week 2: bands for upper first molars were fitted and sent off to the lab so that a transpalatal arch could be made
Week 3: transpalatal arch with bands bonded into place, archwire engaged.
Man, did that hurt!!! Ortho decided to rotate my molars with the TPA and I could really not eat any food, even soft for the first few days. The TPA was a nuisance and hurt my tongue. It left an impression in it and it was not sitting on the roof of my mouth so all kinds of stuff got wrapped around it.
Baby canines were extracted about 2 months later and the monumental task of moving the canines was begun with coils between the central incisors and canines plus powerchains from the molars to the canines. Believe it or not, this only took about 7 months.
During the next several months I had almost daily bite changes and at times had only two teeth, top and bottom, that actually came together when I bit down. This was unnerving, but eventually was resolved.
9 months after the upper brackets were placed, the lowers were bonded.
I walked around with some really big spaces in my mouth for several months until I could get fake teeth made and tied into my braces to replace the missing lateral incisors. I'm surprised now that I was not embarrassed walking around looking like a hillbilly.
Winter 2003 - My orthodontist made me some new teeth, which I was initially shocked by and did not like at all. My hubby liked them though, so I got used to them as well. He sent me back to my restorative dentist to check on the crown positioning of the teeth. These need to be ideal for the restoration and the restorative guy is the expert here. I also spent some time in class 2 elastics to correct the overbite.
April 2003 - The restorative dentist said that the crowns had ideal placement. Yippee! Maybe I'll get out of these braces sooner than the projected 24-30 months. He sent me to the periodontist who will do the surgical implant placement.
April 2003 - Periodontist does x-rays and says it's a good thing I went to him before getting my braces off. The roots of the canines are tilted much too far forward, not leaving enough space for implants. He sends a note to my orthodontist telling him that he needs the roots moved.
April 2003 - October 2003 - Orthodontist uses some heavy rectangular wires to achieve root torque. He mutters on occasion that this task would be impossible due to the long roots of my canines and the fact that they are bent near the ends. He sends me back to my periodontist.
October 2003 - Perio does another set of x-rays and they reveal VIRTUALLY NO MOVEMENT in the past 6 months Man, was I upset. I get a another orthodontic opinion, just to make sure my orthodontist is doing all he can to accomplish root torque. This ortho says my ortho is doing a good job. I'm still upset. Keep in mind also that none of the movement that is supposed to be taking place is visable. It's really hard to be motivated with this treatment not seeing (visually) any changes like I did in the first year when I saw almost daily changes.
October 2003 - April 2004 - Ortho changes out the ceramic brackets on my canines out for metal ones that are slanted. He puts these at a pretty severe angle. Unfortunately, they don't like to stay on my teeth and every time a heavier archwire is engaged, they pop off. ARRRGGGH! But hey, he did get that nasty TPA out in January, so that was good...only I didn't much notice the difference with it being gone. He also sent me to my restorative dentist to have him make new fake teeth that would not need to be tied into the braces in hopes that this might free up the canines somewhat since they no longer had to be tied to the central incisors. The restorative dentist did a beautiful job with the new teeth...a glimpse of what is to come with the implant crowns.
April 2004 - I see the periodontist AGAIN...boy is this getting old. Perio looks at the x-rays and says that there has been some movement, but not enough. I ask him if maybe I shouldn't just get bridges instead since I'm really sick of being in braces. He says that I've come this far, I might as well finish it and get it done the best way rather than have regrets later.
April 2004 - September 2004 - Orthodontist has placed strategic bends in my archwire to accentuate root divergence. Hopefully this will work.
September 2004- Ortho does a panorex and remarks that the right needs more work. I look at it think it looks much better than last time. Ortho has me wear elastics an upside-down and rightside-up triangle configuration now. I have no idea what this is supposed to do. He says he'll send me back to the periodontist in early November.
More to come.....
Braced 35 months - March 2002 to February 2005.
I can't imagine going through all that you have done. I would have to agree with the the doc that it would be better to wait than have regrets. Just imagine what your life and smile will be like when you are done. You will be able to look back and know that all of this has been worth it. Just keep smiling.I've come this far, I might as well finish it and get it done the best way rather than have regrets later.
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Update
Periodontist says the new x-rays show that there is enough room for the implants! Yippeee! Implant surgery is scheduled for November 18 and three months later I should be ready for the permanent crowns. I might actually get out of braces sometime this century!
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Update:
I had implant surgery on November 18. It was not bad, although at one point I did feel the drill, but the periodontist injected more lidocaine and it was okay after that. When he was done he gave me a box of chocolates shaped like dental implants. I was being all polite to everyone when I was leaving, smiling. When I got in the car I realized that there was blood on my teeth, especially in the grooves of the ceramic brackets. That was kind of embarrassing. Recovery was fine. I felt aching in the roots of the teeth on either side of the implants, so I took the Vicodin that was prescribed. It did a nice job in controlling the aches/pains. Other people say that they have no discomfort after the procedure, so maybe I am a wimp.
I had to visit the orthodontist soon after the surgery because the temporary teeth were wobbling around like crazy.
At my next adjustment my bottom archwire was changed for the first time in over a year. I had thought that a lower bracket was loose/ unbonded, but it did not come off when the wire was changed, so I thought I was wrong. The bracket is on a tooth that had bonding on it to cover up a stain. The bonding was there about 20 years. It came completely off a few days ago. Apparently the bracket was wedged beneath the edge of the bonding. Now I have a giant pit in one of my lower central incisors and I have an appointment to have it filled. Boy, between the periodontist, the orthodontist, and the dentist, I sure am spending a lot of time in the chair.
My temporary teeth became loose again, so loose that I was embarrassed to talk because they wobbled whenever I spoke. The periodontist thought it was pretty cool, but I told him I was tired of grossing people out. He rewired them and said he would send a note to my orthodontist. It's only a matter of time before they get loose yet again and I think I'm going to rewire them. No sense in bothering the orthodontist again for something that is easily done at home. I have at least another month left in braces.
I had implant surgery on November 18. It was not bad, although at one point I did feel the drill, but the periodontist injected more lidocaine and it was okay after that. When he was done he gave me a box of chocolates shaped like dental implants. I was being all polite to everyone when I was leaving, smiling. When I got in the car I realized that there was blood on my teeth, especially in the grooves of the ceramic brackets. That was kind of embarrassing. Recovery was fine. I felt aching in the roots of the teeth on either side of the implants, so I took the Vicodin that was prescribed. It did a nice job in controlling the aches/pains. Other people say that they have no discomfort after the procedure, so maybe I am a wimp.
I had to visit the orthodontist soon after the surgery because the temporary teeth were wobbling around like crazy.
At my next adjustment my bottom archwire was changed for the first time in over a year. I had thought that a lower bracket was loose/ unbonded, but it did not come off when the wire was changed, so I thought I was wrong. The bracket is on a tooth that had bonding on it to cover up a stain. The bonding was there about 20 years. It came completely off a few days ago. Apparently the bracket was wedged beneath the edge of the bonding. Now I have a giant pit in one of my lower central incisors and I have an appointment to have it filled. Boy, between the periodontist, the orthodontist, and the dentist, I sure am spending a lot of time in the chair.
My temporary teeth became loose again, so loose that I was embarrassed to talk because they wobbled whenever I spoke. The periodontist thought it was pretty cool, but I told him I was tired of grossing people out. He rewired them and said he would send a note to my orthodontist. It's only a matter of time before they get loose yet again and I think I'm going to rewire them. No sense in bothering the orthodontist again for something that is easily done at home. I have at least another month left in braces.
Braced 35 months - March 2002 to February 2005.
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It's not over yet!
I am now a member of the naked tooth club! Debanding was done mostly on January 31...all but the upper central incisors and the upper canines. This was so that my fake lateral incisors could stay wired into my braces while the retainers were made. One week later I got retainers and had the rest of the brackets removed. I did find that it was less pleasant to have the ceramic brackets removed because they didn't come off as easily, but I do not regret my decision to get ceramic brackets. A few days after debanding I went to my periodontist, who gave me good news - the implants are ready for crowns! This is the first thing in this whole treatment that has gone according to schedule. Unfortunately, he also changed out the healing caps for larger ones to stretch out my gums. It hurt like crazy and he didn't even warn me about it! The perio gave me Advil before I left, but it still kind of hurt. To make matters worse, I accidentally banged the retainer against the healing cap later that day and it made the gums in that area throb for the rest of the night.
I checked with my restorative dentist's office about whitening prices - $500! I think I'll try my luck at the drugstore first.
I have an appointment with the restorative dentist for another consult tomorrow and for 1 1/2 hours next Tuesday for preparations for the crowns. Who knows? I might finish this treatment sometime reasonably soon.
http://www.msnusers.com/bracespics/shoe ... &PhotoID=4
I checked with my restorative dentist's office about whitening prices - $500! I think I'll try my luck at the drugstore first.
I have an appointment with the restorative dentist for another consult tomorrow and for 1 1/2 hours next Tuesday for preparations for the crowns. Who knows? I might finish this treatment sometime reasonably soon.
http://www.msnusers.com/bracespics/shoe ... &PhotoID=4
Braced 35 months - March 2002 to February 2005.
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Thanks, guys. I had the appointment with my dentist today and he remarked about how much I had gone through. He decided to have mercy on me and is going to give me whitening gel and trays for only $40. They took impressions for the trays today and I should get them next Tuesday. He gave me a high five when he was done today. Things are going even better than expected.
Boy, it feels good to be making headway
Boy, it feels good to be making headway
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implant infection
I've been whitening for a week now and things are looking good. My dentist had given me Opalescence and somehow that gel must have found a cavity in one of my teeth because it hurt like crazy. I switched to Zoom 6% Z formula and find that it doesn't cause as much sensitivity as the Opalescence.
A few days ago I noticed a bump on my gums over the implant site of the right lateral incisor. It looked suspicially like an abscess that I had that was related to a tooth that ended up needing a root canal. The bump didn't hurt much, but I went in to see the periodontist the next day. He remarked that something must have gotten up in there. He removed the healing abutment and irrigated the socket with antibiotic solution. He replaced the abutment and drained the abscess. He said I didn't need an oral antibiotic. That night I put some hydrogen peroxide on the site. Pus started coming out and kept coming out for a while. It contained yellow granules which I think are due to the bacteria actinomyces. I sure hope my perio knows what he's talking about when he says I don't need an oral antibiotic. I've been through so much to get these implants and to have one fail due to infection would be a shame.
I have an appontment to have my teeth checked for cavities today. Seems like my molars have been sensitive to sweets ever since debanding.
My next appointment with the restorative dentist is next week to pick out a color for the implant crowns. Once that's done it should be about four weeks until I get the crowns.
A few days ago I noticed a bump on my gums over the implant site of the right lateral incisor. It looked suspicially like an abscess that I had that was related to a tooth that ended up needing a root canal. The bump didn't hurt much, but I went in to see the periodontist the next day. He remarked that something must have gotten up in there. He removed the healing abutment and irrigated the socket with antibiotic solution. He replaced the abutment and drained the abscess. He said I didn't need an oral antibiotic. That night I put some hydrogen peroxide on the site. Pus started coming out and kept coming out for a while. It contained yellow granules which I think are due to the bacteria actinomyces. I sure hope my perio knows what he's talking about when he says I don't need an oral antibiotic. I've been through so much to get these implants and to have one fail due to infection would be a shame.
I have an appontment to have my teeth checked for cavities today. Seems like my molars have been sensitive to sweets ever since debanding.
My next appointment with the restorative dentist is next week to pick out a color for the implant crowns. Once that's done it should be about four weeks until I get the crowns.
Braced 35 months - March 2002 to February 2005.
Re: implant infection
At uni we have learned that oral abscesses don't need to be treated with oral antibiotics if a proper drain of the pus is warranted and if they are not in danger to spread into other areas.Katny in VA wrote: He said I didn't need an oral antibiotic. That night I put some hydrogen peroxide on the site. Pus started coming out and kept coming out for a while. It contained yellow granules which I think are due to the bacteria actinomyces. I sure hope my perio knows what he's talking about when he says I don't need an oral antibiotic.
All the best!
Helen
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The abscess is healed up and I went back to the dentist today to determine the color of the implant crowns. He said that he's using porcelain crowns on ceramic abutments. I'm pleased with this since I know that no metal means very natural looking teeth. He said my teeth have so many colors in them that he couldn't get a good match, so he sent me to the dental lab for a custom color. I went and was able to meet the man who's making my teeth. He took a bunch of unflattering pictures and made a sketch. I should be getting the crowns in about 3 weeks. That's when I can call this treatment complete. The appointment when I get my implant crowns is going to be even more exciting than debanding because only then will I see the beautiful smile I paid so much for in money and time.
Braced 35 months - March 2002 to February 2005.