PhDGuy's orthodontic journey - better late than never!

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PhDGuy's orthodontic journey - better late than never!

#1 Post by PhDGuy »

Hello there!

I found this forum several years ago while searching for experiences and suggestions/comments related to adult orthodontics after I was first informed by a dentist that I should consider getting braces for the overall well being of my teeth. I joined as I figured I'd be able to learn from and about other people's experiences and share mine as things moved along.

Before I delve in to my story, I also want to share a little bit of background as it might help put things in perspective. I grew up in a bit city in India and the only time one made a trip to the dentist was if a tooth was hurting. Fortunately, mine never did and I had a really good bite and very straight teeth so I never "needed" to go to the dentist. Fast forward to around 19 is when I first needed to go see a dentist as my wisdom teeth started to appear but then gave up on the process and decided to stay impacted. The dentist in his infinite wisdom decided that the teeth were just hanging out there and not doing any harm so he let them be :-+ . A couple of years later, I moved to the US to pursue higher education and being a foreign national in graduate school in the US with severe financial constraints, teeth were the last thing on my mind. The occasional issues and pain associated with wisdom teeth were generally ignored as the cost of getting them out in the US without dental insurance was almost comparable to a business class ticket back home, neither one of which I could afford. Finally, during one of the trips back home, I decided I had had enough and consulted a different dentist who saw the gravity of the situation. He asked me to get some panoramic x-rays done and after looking at them, decided that they had to come out. A few days later they were extracted but by that time the damage was already done.

At 28, I got my PhD in Bioengineering and even though the economy tanked a couple of months before I got done, I was fortunate to have a job lined up. Since I finally had dental coverage, I figured I might as well make that long overdue visit to the dentist, which is when braces were first recommended. I looked up my coverage and was pleasantly surprised to see a $1250 coverage for adult orthodontics, so I decided to at least get an idea of what would be involved.

Right around that time, in doing all of my research, I stumbled upon this website and one of the suggestions here was to get multiple opinions so I went for several consultations and indeed found that each orthodontist had their own way of going about things. Estimates related to treatment time and cost ranged from as little as 14 months and approximately $3000 out of pocket to 32 months, give or take a few and almost $8000 out of pocket. The pattern that emerged from all of these consultations was that there was a group of orthodontists who thought that my malocclusion could be corrected using a lot of rubber band/elastics wear and these were the ones who quoted me on the lower end of time and cost. On the other hand 2 out of the 7 orthodontists that I consulted suggested jaw surgery as an option and a third one wouldn't even consider a non surgical route. While I was mulling these options over, and had almost made up my mind to go with the non-surgical route full well knowing that the results would be close to perfect but not perfect, life decided to throw me a couple of curve balls, and as a result the thought of getting braces was put on the back-burner.

Five years later, I find myself in a much more happier place in life and a significantly better position financially. Having moved to a new town last August, I also found a wonderful dentist, who got me back on track as far as my oral health was concerned. During a recent cleaning, braces were brought up yet again as a part of discussion revolving around my overall oral health. The dentist, his daughter, who also happens to be a dentist at that practice, and I had a long discussion on the potential benefits of getting orthodontic treatment and towards the end, it was obvious that I should get started sooner rather than later. I also realized that now is the time to make this investment in me because the moment my wife and I's plans to start a family come to fruition, all the extra cash will be instantaneously diverted.

Since the place I currently live in, is a college town the options are rather limited. I consulted two orthodontists, both of whom are board certified, as that was one of my requirements. One happens to have a practice in town and the other one has a practice about 50 miles away. I did not feel comfortable at all with the orthodontist who has a practice in town and felt very rushed during consultation. Most of the diagnoses was done by the treatment coordinator, and the orthodontist just showed up in the end, verified the coordinator's findings, and left after telling me that braces would help and if I wanted to, I could get started that day. I was not only shocked at the unprofessional behavior but also very pissed off.

The second consultation with the orthodontist who is an hour's drive away was the complete opposite. Her office is very nice and welcoming, everyone genuinely cares, and I felt instantaneously at home. They are also very organized and I had a panoramic x-ray and a couple of pictures taken and projected on the LCD TV in the consultation room even before the orthodontist was ready for me. She then spent a fair bit of time poking around my mouth, asking me to bite down, open up, bite again and so on and so forth. After she was done, she talked to me in detail about her diagnoses, outlined her plan, discussed other possible options including surgery if I wanted to go that route, and patiently answered all my questions. The treatment coordinator discussed the other options such as finances, office policies, etc. Even before I left there, I was sold on her office so I scheduled a records appointment for two days later. By this time, I was pretty excited but also somewhat anxious.

On the day of the records appointment, I went in, met with the financial coordinator, and signed a whole bunch of paperwork and put down a deposit. Once the financial part was taken care of, the molds, pictures, and remaining x-rays were done. Even though I was dreading getting the molds done since I have a strong gag reflex, that part was a piece of cake. The worst part for me was getting pictures of my teeth taken as having the mirror in my mouth felt very uncomfortable, but it wasn't terrible by any means. At this point, I thought I was all done, and was about to ask the assistant if that was the case and if I could just schedule my actual bonding appointment and be on my way.

But, oh they had different plans! At this point, the orthodontist magically popped in and asked me if I was ready for spacers :huh: We hadn't discussed having spacers, so I asked her what that was about and she said that since I have a grinding/clenching habit, she felt more comfortable using molar bands than those little buccal tubes as I may accidentally bite them off. Now, I had read all about those evil spacers on here and I was just like F*$S%!! :-+

So, began the actual fun part! My molars are very tight together and I mentioned as such to the assistant working on me, but she just shrugged it off and "overconfidently" told me that she had done this a million times before and it shouldn't be a problem at all. So, I told her to have a go at it, and soon enough she realized that getting those spacers in was just impossible! She broke around 10 spacers in the process of getting one inserted, got very frustrated, and decided that she was done. She then went and got the orthodontist who didn't fare much better. At this point, the orthodontist asked the assistant to get the metal spacers and then she told me that using those spacers is the only option she had. She was very apologetic about it and when I asked her why, she just told me that I'd find out soon enough. Fortunately, getting those spacers in was fairly easy and soon enough all 8 of them were in place and I was free to go. I scheduled my bonding/banding appointment for four days later on a Monday morning, was handed a couple of ibuprofen tablets, and was on my way.
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#2 Post by aspiromusings »

Wow what a journey but in the very least you are now on your way!

Have you contemplated on what type of braces you will be getting and has the ortho told you how long the treatment will be?

I am 33 and only just got braced slightly over a month ago and honestly it has been the best decision ever, unlike yourself I have never had financial constraints but really just had to get over the emotional aspect of having metal on my teeth for 2 years which in retrospect sounds so silly now

Good luck dude and be sure to post pictures of your progress!
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#3 Post by aspiromusings »

Oh and I managed to bite off one of my back brackets within the first few days of getting them because no spacer/molar tabs were put in, thankfully by now some movement has already occurred so I dont need to have them put in ...
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#4 Post by PhDGuy »

A few hours later, I realized what the orthodontist had been very apologetic about. Not only were my molars quite tender by this point, those darned metal spacers were cutting up the insides of my cheek and my tongue. The next few days were just absolutely horrible. Eating was a chore and there were canker sores all over the place from those nasty spacers. I was so thankful when Monday rolled around as I thought it would mean "The End" to the spacers saga! Oh, how mistaken I was! :shock:

On Monday morning (4/13), I drove over to the orthodontist's office and found myself there a little earlier than my appointment time. They got me in right away and soon enough the spacers came out. Oh, what a relief that was! Next, the assistant started sizing up the bands and after a bunch of biting down on the bite stick, she had what she thought was the best fit. Off came the bands, my first molars were dried thoroughly, and then the bands were cemented in place. Gosh, that glue was vile and disgusting! She also placed two bite ramps - essentially gobs of blue glue on my bottom first molars and used the UV light to cure them in place. Next, I was allowed to rinse before she prepped the rest of my teeth for the brackets.

Soon, I was back in the chair, the cheek retractor went on, my teeth were cleaned and dried, and the assistant started placing the brackets on. The assistant was around halfway done when the orthodontist got done with the person she was working on and took over. Soon enough the brackets were in place, the UV light was used to cure the glue, and I was asked to go rinse again. The moment the cheek retractor was removed I could feel the brackets and was shocked by how sharp they felt. My lips and cheeks kept getting caught up in them and it just felt plain weird. Next, it was time for the wires to go on and the moment I looked at the wires, I knew something was off. I swear the orthodontist said "use 0.014 wires" and I don't know what the assistant was thinking but she had rectangular 0.014 x 0.025 wires laid out. Had i known what exactly was off, I'd have had her fix it right there and it would have saved me a couple of days worth of agony, but no suck luck :-= . Anyway, those wires were put on and the doors to the Damon brackets were closed and I immediately started feeling a lot of pressure. Having read other people's experiences, I figured this was pretty common and didn't say anything.

Again, just as I thought I was done, the assistant mentioned those dreaded spacers again. Apparently, there still wasn't enough room between my first and second molars after the bands were put on, so it was round two of metal spacers so the second molars could be banded. Ugh! They were even worse this time as they hit the existing canker sores on my tongue just right! This was followed by the usual instructions on how to clean, what to eat and what not to eat, etc. I scheduled an appointment for three days later to have the second molars banded and was on my way.

It wasn't until that evening that I had the need to look up what exactly was up with those wires because by that time my mouth was experiencing serious pain. Maybe the pressure wasn't too bad till then or maybe it was masked by the pain from the spacers hitting the canker sores every time my tongue shifted even a mm that I didn't notice it. What I found however, was that the assistant had mistakenly used wires that are normally used around 4-5 months into treatment :-+ . Not much I could do at that point so I popped a couple of ibuprofen's and that was that. I tried to eat but all I could manage was some yoghurt and pudding. I also wasn't prepared for how long it would take to brush/floss and I pretty much gave up on flossing after a while. I must have tried three different types of floss and each time the end result was the same - shreds of floss stuck between my teeth! All in all, that evening and the next few days were quite a learning experience. I also ended up ordering a Waterpik and have found it to be the most useful tool to have handy.

As far as the incorrect wire situation goes, I had it rectified a few days later (4/16) when I went in to get my second molars banded. They put me in a 0.016 wire and things have been much better after that. I have also noticed that my mouth has pretty much adjusted to all the hardware over the last two weeks and I don't really feel the braces a whole lot anymore. The bite ramps are still annoying as it's hard to chew with them on and I can't seem to bite into most things yet. Fortunately, most of the sores have healed, the range of motion of my mouth is pretty much back, and I can eat most things, albeit at a much slower pace. Even though, it has been frustrating on and off, I don't regret making this decision at all and I am excited to notice tiny changes already. Overall, I feel that the worst I could possibly experience as a part of my braces journey is over, and I hope I don't stand corrected.
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Top and Bottom Damon 3MX Braces put on 4/13/2015

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On my banding date, I also happened to mention this website and how much of a help it has been in being prepared as well as my plans to blog about my braces experience to the orthodontist and her staff. They were all very excited to hear about it and even indicated that they might pass the information on to their other adult patients who could then have access to all the great information on here. Interestingly, that also prompted them to provide me with a complete written copy of my diagnoses and treatment plan, essentially the same document they sent my dentist.

So without further ado, here are the details about what we are trying to fix and how!

Diagnosis:
* Class II skeletal
* Class I -3mm right and Full Step Class II left malocclusion
* 70% overbite
* Overjet: 6 mms
* 2-3 mm upper and lower crowding
* Grinding/clenching
* Incisal wear lower anterior
* Chin deviates left
* Flared lower incisors

Plan:
* Comprehensive orthodontic treatment using full upper and lower self-ligating brackets (Damon 3MX) to reduce deep bite and decrease further wear on lower teeth.
I wanted the clear Damon's on top, but they are not offered by her office as they seem to shatter a lot during debonding.
* Treatment time: 18 months (with good co-operation :wink: )
* While not on the plan itself, I was informed that my treatment will require extensive elastics wear. No plans to use any other appliances at this time.
* Class II skeletal malocclusion may be improved but not completely corrected without orthognathic surgery (mandibular advancement). In discussion with the
orthodontist about this, she feels that I am a borderline case and the risk and troubles associated with surgery will not be worth the benefit.
* Retention using night guard/splint for bruxism and comfort.

Cost breakdown:
* Professional Fee: $6300
* Total out-of-pocket: $3474 ($735 downpayment and $186 x 16 months).

And the before photos from records appointment:
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Top and Bottom Damon 3MX Braces put on 4/13/2015

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#6 Post by PhDGuy »

aspiromusings wrote:Wow what a journey but in the very least you are now on your way!

Have you contemplated on what type of braces you will be getting and has the ortho told you how long the treatment will be?

I am 33 and only just got braced slightly over a month ago and honestly it has been the best decision ever, unlike yourself I have never had financial constraints but really just had to get over the emotional aspect of having metal on my teeth for 2 years which in retrospect sounds so silly now

Good luck dude and be sure to post pictures of your progress!
Hey aspiromusings!

Thanks for your comments. I'm happy to have finally started. I just posted an update to my story, which has all the fun details. Long story short, I have Damon 3MX braces on top and bottom, two bite ramps on bottom first molars, and I will be in braces for around 18 months.

I am 34, so I am sure we will have somewhat similar experiences as we progress. I browsed through your story and looks like we have a similar overbite problem. I also think it's pretty funny that you reference the Asian mentality - the dentist is out to get my money! When do you get your bottom braces on? Were you offered the option of getting bite ramps and getting bottom braces on at the same time as the tops?

I will take some pictures with the braces on and post them soon!
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Top and Bottom Damon 3MX Braces put on 4/13/2015

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PhDGuy wrote:
Hey aspiromusings!

Thanks for your comments. I'm happy to have finally started. I just posted an update to my story, which has all the fun details. Long story short, I have Damon 3MX braces on top and bottom, two bite ramps on bottom first molars, and I will be in braces for around 18 months.

I am 34, so I am sure we will have somewhat similar experiences as we progress. I browsed through your story and looks like we have a similar overbite problem. I also think it's pretty funny that you reference the Asian mentality - the dentist is out to get my money! When do you get your bottom braces on? Were you offered the option of getting bite ramps and getting bottom braces on at the same time as the tops?

I will take some pictures with the braces on and post them soon!
Hi PHD guy, no I wasn't offered the option to get my bottom braces due to my severe overbite and my bruxism (I'm a grinder), essentially I would grind away my top teeth with my bottom braces if I had got them before my top row had a chance to move up, it may be another 5 months or so now before the bottom row goes on

Yes I have heard that it is harder to move teeth at our age but fingers crossed when do you get your braces on?

I have Damon Q clears and my est treatment time is around 2 years give or take :D :D

Do you need any extractions?
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Top Braces on 20th March 2015

Bottom braces on 28th August 2015

Top premolars extracted 25th April 2015

Debraced 15th December 2017 :D :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :-*

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aspiromusings wrote:
Hi PHD guy, no I wasn't offered the option to get my bottom braces due to my severe overbite and my bruxism (I'm a grinder), essentially I would grind away my top teeth with my bottom braces if I had got them before my top row had a chance to move up, it may be another 5 months or so now before the bottom row goes on

Yes I have heard that it is harder to move teeth at our age but fingers crossed when do you get your braces on?

I have Damon Q clears and my est treatment time is around 2 years give or take :D :D

Do you need any extractions?
Hey aspiromusings!

Hope everything is well with you. Life's been keeping me busy lately so not much time to respond or post here. I understand how the bruxism goes, I am a grinder too and to prevent from grinding down on my bottom teeth and breaking the brackets off, I have bite ramps on my bottom first molars. Basically, I had to re-learn how to chew since the two bite ramps were the only place my teeth touched.

I have had my Damon 3MX braces on since April 13th of this year, so coming up on about a month. I wanted the Damon Q clears on top but my ortho does not offer them and since I liked her office a lot, I didn't want to go somewhere else just to get the clear braces. My treatment time is estimated at 18 months give or take a couple, but I will believe it when it actually happens. My bite needs a LOT of work. Fortunately, no extractions for me as far as I am aware; however, I am a borderline surgery case and after a lot of discussions with the ortho, I have decided NOT to go the surgical route. I think a lot of rubber band wear is in my future possibly starting in about a month.

I will head on over to your page soon to check on your updates!
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PhDGuy wrote:
aspiromusings wrote:
Hi PHD guy, no I wasn't offered the option to get my bottom braces due to my severe overbite and my bruxism (I'm a grinder), essentially I would grind away my top teeth with my bottom braces if I had got them before my top row had a chance to move up, it may be another 5 months or so now before the bottom row goes on

Yes I have heard that it is harder to move teeth at our age but fingers crossed when do you get your braces on?

I have Damon Q clears and my est treatment time is around 2 years give or take :D :D

Do you need any extractions?
Hey aspiromusings!

Hope everything is well with you. Life's been keeping me busy lately so not much time to respond or post here. I understand how the bruxism goes, I am a grinder too and to prevent from grinding down on my bottom teeth and breaking the brackets off, I have bite ramps on my bottom first molars. Basically, I had to re-learn how to chew since the two bite ramps were the only place my teeth touched.

I have had my Damon 3MX braces on since April 13th of this year, so coming up on about a month. I wanted the Damon Q clears on top but my ortho does not offer them and since I liked her office a lot, I didn't want to go somewhere else just to get the clear braces. My treatment time is estimated at 18 months give or take a couple, but I will believe it when it actually happens. My bite needs a LOT of work. Fortunately, no extractions for me as far as I am aware; however, I am a borderline surgery case and after a lot of discussions with the ortho, I have decided NOT to go the surgical route. I think a lot of rubber band wear is in my future possibly starting in about a month.

I will head on over to your page soon to check on your updates!
18 months aint that bad, I guess mine would take longer as I have extraction gaps to close and also my OVERBITE needs a lot of work lol

Thankfully so far I have not had to endure bite ramps or rubber bands but who knows lol?

Be sure to post updates!
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Top Braces on 20th March 2015

Bottom braces on 28th August 2015

Top premolars extracted 25th April 2015

Debraced 15th December 2017 :D :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :-*

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I feel like this post has been long overdue but I've been really busy lately with work and at home. Finally, on this quiet rainy morning, I have some time to myself - just enough time to document my post-banding date experiences, so here it goes.

It's been about a month since I had braces put on and I feel that I am almost back to normal when it comes to most everyday things braces have an impact on and they are no longer the major annoyance they initially were. I still have sores mostly towards the back of my mouth on my cheeks and I have a feeling that it's because I never gave my mouth a chance to toughen up by constantly using wax. I finally stopped using it completely a few days ago and the sores came back with a vengeance but now they are turning into callouses, and I think they are there to stay till the braces come off. Not a major inconvenience by any means though.

I have yet to see any major eye popping changes but I can notice subtle changes here and there and I know things are happening since I can feel them. It's almost as if random sections of my mouth are arbitrarily taking turn to be tender. Perhaps, the biggest change I notice from day 1 to about a month in is the leveling out of the top arch. The wire seems much straighter and essentially in one plane, instead of having three random cartesian co-ordinates that can be assigned to it. It's crazy how teeth appear to be so straight without braces and then bam, braces go on, and those same teeth appear so wonky and all over the place.

As far as other indicators of progress go, I also have a poking wire on my top right, which I discovered yesterday while having lunch. I must say that a poking wire has a unique pain signature :yikes: and I feel fortunate that I was able to schedule an emergency appointment for later today to have it taken care of. I also have a second molar on the top left which seems to be out of line and tilting towards the side and I will have the office staff look at that as well while I am there. While these little things are occasionally annoying due to the associated discomfort, I suppose all of this adds to progress, which is quite exciting! :-#)

And here are some pictures documenting the almost one month in! I wish I had remembered to take pictures on day 1 or even during the first week :(

Front:
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Top Arch:
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Bottom Arch:
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I apologize for the pictures not being the best. It's amazing how difficult it is to take good pictures of teeth and braces and I promise I will get better with time! Also, my first scheduled adjustment is not till June 9th, almost 2 months after my banding date but we will see what they end up doing at the emergency appointment today.
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Top and Bottom Damon 3MX Braces put on 4/13/2015

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#11 Post by TheProfessor »

Your braces look good! Sounds like your first days were pretty traumatic, I hope things are settling down now!!!
Braces installed on March 25, 2014: Damon clears on top and metal on bottom.
I had braces for 25 months!

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TheProfessor wrote:Your braces look good! Sounds like your first days were pretty traumatic, I hope things are settling down now!!!
Thanks Prof! Things were indeed pretty traumatic initially and are settling down fast. I suppose part of it is my increased tolerance to the braces and part of it I can attribute to my mouth getting used to the metal.

As far as the soreness and inflammation is concerned, I did ask my Orthodontist about it when I went in for an emergency appointment last Tuesday. She explained what was going on and what I thought was random is not at all random and now makes total sense. Since she's trying to fix my deep bite using bite ramps, most of the inflammation is around the jaw muscles that are being forced to get used to a new way of holding my jaw together. I must say that I feel much better now that I know what's going on.
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Top and Bottom Damon 3MX Braces put on 4/13/2015

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