Arvensis wrote:
P.S. WOW on bags under eyes.... I HAD NO IDEA. But now that you mentioned it, I DO have less dark circles under eyes than before. WOW.
That makes me so excited.. i hate my bags/dark circles!!!
Mouth Breathing
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I not sure which came first the chicken or the egg but I went from a mouth breather to a nasal breather literally in a day with upper jaw surgery with widening of the palate and lower jaw advancement. It did take sometime for nasal breathing to be fully natural because of all the swelling but a natural "rest" position for me is now with my mouth closed. With quite a large anterior open bite prior to surgery it was not natural at all to have a rest position with my mouth closed. In combination with a narrow palate and no place to put my tounge, mouth breathing was an adaptation to skeletal deformities I believe.
This gives me some hope to hear that the mouth breathing CAN be corrected with the jaw surgery. I hope this will be my DD's case. Has anyone who has milder issues had any success with just the expansion? I am looking into this for my younger DD - age 15. She has never been expanded and has the allergy, ear etc. But her issues don't seem to be as severe as older DD age 18.
Rosy
I had my bite corrected with wearing an appliance from 1st-8th grade which i believe expanded the space in my mouth/palate.
Then in high school i had braces because one of my angel teeth or whatever didnt come down and they had to attach a hook to it to bring my tooth down.
I currently have a as center for corrective jaw surg puts it "a perfect bite".
I do know for sure i have all the other signs/symptoms of mouth breathing:
Been fatigued since a very young age, forward neck posture and back/neck pain [very bad in high school, now 22 and not as bad], horrible tonsil problems and always sick [monthly, no exageration, since early high school to UNTIL i got my tonsils removed, now i have only gotten sick once since], hard to lose weight, bad sleep always, ETC i could go on. but you know the signs.
Whats DD an acronym for?
I had my bite corrected with wearing an appliance from 1st-8th grade which i believe expanded the space in my mouth/palate.
Then in high school i had braces because one of my angel teeth or whatever didnt come down and they had to attach a hook to it to bring my tooth down.
I currently have a as center for corrective jaw surg puts it "a perfect bite".
I do know for sure i have all the other signs/symptoms of mouth breathing:
Been fatigued since a very young age, forward neck posture and back/neck pain [very bad in high school, now 22 and not as bad], horrible tonsil problems and always sick [monthly, no exageration, since early high school to UNTIL i got my tonsils removed, now i have only gotten sick once since], hard to lose weight, bad sleep always, ETC i could go on. but you know the signs.
Whats DD an acronym for?
Expander/ENT
Brendan,
DD = Dear Daughter. You are blessed to have had the expander when you were young even though it may not have resolved all issues. I tmust of been of help. My oldest DD had expander but for only short time, I doubt it was long enough although better than nothing. I'm curious, when did you have tonsils removed? Everytime I have brought this up with ENT about either of my DD, they say "no, no". It seems as if they went from taking everybody's tonsils out when I was kid to not wanting to do anybody now. I know my mom had tonsils out as an adult in 30s or even early 40s can't recall. But it helped her. Since it is a very safe operation, I think it would be worth a try for someone who has so many symptoms. I have to continue my search for ENT which is informed and sensitive to these issues. Any suggestions anybody on this?
DD = Dear Daughter. You are blessed to have had the expander when you were young even though it may not have resolved all issues. I tmust of been of help. My oldest DD had expander but for only short time, I doubt it was long enough although better than nothing. I'm curious, when did you have tonsils removed? Everytime I have brought this up with ENT about either of my DD, they say "no, no". It seems as if they went from taking everybody's tonsils out when I was kid to not wanting to do anybody now. I know my mom had tonsils out as an adult in 30s or even early 40s can't recall. But it helped her. Since it is a very safe operation, I think it would be worth a try for someone who has so many symptoms. I have to continue my search for ENT which is informed and sensitive to these issues. Any suggestions anybody on this?
Rosy,
I had them removed in Sept 06, which would have made me 20-
This is in complete honesty, and I dont want you to think im just pulling this out of my ass
I really put some thought into it and I seriously believe having my tonsils removed was the best/most beneficial thing I have ever done for myself for my wellbeing.
I seriously was always sick, couple weeks on, couple weeks off, for YEARS. I would get the most horrible sore throats and those perintonsular abscesses were the most brutal things ever! The first couple i let go for week+ because i just thought it was a bad sore throat, downing nyquil and just sleeping until i literally couldnt breath.
F*CK what the doctors say, if your daughter has sore throat issues and gets sick often, and her tonsils are always swollen, TAKE THEM OUT.
I had them removed in Sept 06, which would have made me 20-
This is in complete honesty, and I dont want you to think im just pulling this out of my ass
I really put some thought into it and I seriously believe having my tonsils removed was the best/most beneficial thing I have ever done for myself for my wellbeing.I seriously was always sick, couple weeks on, couple weeks off, for YEARS. I would get the most horrible sore throats and those perintonsular abscesses were the most brutal things ever! The first couple i let go for week+ because i just thought it was a bad sore throat, downing nyquil and just sleeping until i literally couldnt breath.
F*CK what the doctors say, if your daughter has sore throat issues and gets sick often, and her tonsils are always swollen, TAKE THEM OUT.
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riotshield
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I agree that mouth breathing needs more awareness as a serious condition. I have the classic symptoms of a long face and recessed, narrow upper jaw, and have been a mouth breather since I can remember.
I am saddened because I've had head/neck/back posture problems and fatigue issues my whole life attributable to mouth breathing, yet I had no idea that was causing my problems until adulthood. Growing up, I was made to believe it was due to my laziness and shyness and it caused me a great deal of stress.
I am saddened because I've had head/neck/back posture problems and fatigue issues my whole life attributable to mouth breathing, yet I had no idea that was causing my problems until adulthood. Growing up, I was made to believe it was due to my laziness and shyness and it caused me a great deal of stress.
Exactly. Everyone made me believe that I am fatigued and tired just like an average person. sweetheart..riotshield wrote:I agree that mouth breathing needs more awareness as a serious condition. I have the classic symptoms of a long face and recessed, narrow upper jaw, and have been a mouth breather since I can remember.
I am saddened because I've had head/neck/back posture problems and fatigue issues my whole life attributable to mouth breathing, yet I had no idea that was causing my problems until adulthood. Growing up, I was made to believe it was due to my laziness and shyness and it caused me a great deal of stress.
What sucks is i dont think our posture / head /neck position is treatable because the mouth breathing causes an actual structural change of your upper body area [the collar bone etc]
Anyone have any information on this? I always wondered about my damn back and neck pain and why the hell my neck is long and protrudes outwards..
Well, I guess you can add me to the list of mouthbreathers. As I think about it, I have most of the problems/symptoms mentioned in this thread except for the sinus/allergy stuff. It's pretty interesting how it all comes together, it just makes perfect sense.
I didn't know about the bags under the eyes, I thought it was just hereditary, but then again, my mom also has a recessive chin, excess maxilla, etc. Another thing my OS explained is that the deep grooves from the base of my nose to the corners of my mouth are also caused by the skeletal abnormalities, and I thought they were just regular ol' wrinkles! He said that upper jaw surgery will minimize the apprearance of those lines.
kaycee
I didn't know about the bags under the eyes, I thought it was just hereditary, but then again, my mom also has a recessive chin, excess maxilla, etc. Another thing my OS explained is that the deep grooves from the base of my nose to the corners of my mouth are also caused by the skeletal abnormalities, and I thought they were just regular ol' wrinkles! He said that upper jaw surgery will minimize the apprearance of those lines.
kaycee
Another thing my OS explained is that the deep grooves from the base of my nose to the corners of my mouth are also caused by the skeletal abnormalities, and I thought they were just regular ol' wrinkles! He said that upper jaw surgery will minimize the apprearance of those lines
Kacyee, this I believe. I've seen the most change muscle-wise post-op in the area of my upper lip. Plus they have all over the news here the thing aboiut women getting plastic surgery because they drink out of water bottles too much and got upper lip wrinkles;)
It is a relief just reading this post. I have had lots of the issues posted above but never knew it was connected to being a mouth breather. I have been trying to tell doctors for the longest time that I think I have a deviated septum but they keep insisting it is allergies but they can't tell me what I am allergic to. I am a military brat and have moved all over yet my issues are always the same. I have recently had a sleep study done that came back suprisingly good ( i was hoping it would show the septum issue). Just a week ago I had a Sinus CT scan because I finally just told my doctor I want to be evaluated for a deviated septum since the Flonase, Zertec, Singulair have done nothing for my breathing issues. I will be having a follow up apt soon but if it comes back saying everything is fine then I have no idea what my next option is.
I have the bags (doc said it was allergies and gave me all the drugs above), I have difficulties breathing in the ortho chair since I can't breath out of my nose well, I am constantly exhausted (but apparently no sleep apnea), have always had what my mom called Sinusy breath no matter how much I clean, and I also had ear infections all the way into adulthood, my last ear infection was my junior yr of high school. Man I sure hope if it isn't a deviated septum that my jaw surgery will fix it on its own!
I have the bags (doc said it was allergies and gave me all the drugs above), I have difficulties breathing in the ortho chair since I can't breath out of my nose well, I am constantly exhausted (but apparently no sleep apnea), have always had what my mom called Sinusy breath no matter how much I clean, and I also had ear infections all the way into adulthood, my last ear infection was my junior yr of high school. Man I sure hope if it isn't a deviated septum that my jaw surgery will fix it on its own!
Was the CT scan of your head? If they did a CT scan it will definitely show the deviated septum if it's there - that's how they found mine last year. Of course, it only took then 25 years to diagnose the damn thing:P Not to mention the gambit of "allergies", "asthma" etc, that everyone first thought to test for rather than anything structural.
Stupid doctors.
Yay for undeviated septums and nose-breathing!!!
Stupid doctors.
Yay for undeviated septums and nose-breathing!!!