Does anyone here regret getting extractions?

Message

#31 Post by **khrystal1968** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:21 pm

I have been having discussions through e-mails with three adults, one from this board, who went through hell because of extractions. The one young lady has sent me photos and let me tell you, her face took a change for the worst. Another person I have been talking to had his face collapse, and he had to wear dental appliances to reverse his facial structure to where it used to be. It is scary stuff. I am not saying extractions always have negative ramifications, such as in Leonreo's or Lynn's cases. They came out just fine. The thing I didn't like about mine was the fact that my face changed so quickly. It really did. Two months in and my seconf tightening since extractions and the left side of my face is slightly uneven. I eat well and keep hydrated. I don't like a thin face at all on me. It may look fine on others, just not me. Today I got a second opinion and the doctor told me my ortho did not take my tongue size into consideration. He studied my jaws, tongue, etc and told me the extractions were pretty much uncalled for. Like I said before, though lots of people come out with success.

#32 Post by **classII** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:39 pm

khrystal1968 wrote:I have been having discussions through e-mails with three adults, one from this board, who went through hell because of extractions. The one young lady has sent me photos and let me tell you, her face took a change for the worst. Another person I have been talking to had his face collapse, and he had to wear dental appliances to reverse his facial structure to where it used to be. It is scary stuff. I am not saying extractions always have negative ramifications, such as in Leonreo's or Lynn's cases. They came out just fine. The thing I didn't like about mine was the fact that my face changed so quickly. It really did. Two months in and my seconf tightening since extractions and the left side of my face is slightly uneven. I eat well and keep hydrated. I don't like a thin face at all on me. It may look fine on others, just not me. Today I got a second opinion and the doctor told me my ortho did not take my tongue size into consideration. He studied my jaws, tongue, etc and told me the extractions were pretty much uncalled for. Like I said before, though lots of people come out with success.

The reality of the matter is you presented to face front photos of yourself, and no one could see any difference. You was asked by many many times to do a side profile shot, which to date you haven't bothered doing.

#33 Post by **braceface418** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:43 pm

Just to add some anecdotal fuel to the flames, I know two women, both now around my age (26 or so), who did have premolars extracted during late adolescence. Both live in the US, etc etc etc. In addition to the premolars, one had to have several baby teeth (7, I think) removed through her teenage years because they weren't falling out on their own, including some baby canines.

For what it's worth, I think they're both quite pretty, normal looking, however you want to phrase it. I had to confirm what they told me, just because I would have otherwise had no idea that they were also in the 24 teeth club. I don't know if it was the most "appropriate" treatment for them, but if I had their teeth, I'd be quite happy with the results.

I have no idea if I know anybody with less than stellar results -- I tend to not talk to people about their teeth in meat space, especially if drawing attention to said teeth might make them feel bad. I know I always hated the "have you considered braces?" line.

#34 Post by **yj207** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:48 pm

I am not for or against extractions and am not trying to give you a hard time but it does matter when you get extractions and when you don't.
I am just wanting to know the long term effects on adults not children (now adults). I certainly do not mean your articles are "irrelevant" even tho I used those words. It's already an unpopular thing here in the US to give extractions to children which is why I felt the article wasn't relevant. You are talking about the man in the picture, he had extractions as a kid and as an adult those were the results but what about adults that get extractions because there is no room in their mouth, that is the particular thing I am trying to get more information about. I don't mean to say you are not an adult and should move to another board I just want you to also acknowlege the older adults here and their case and how this extraction story will relate to their experience with extractions. Essentially I want more info and I feel like the info you are sharing is limited to people who got extractions as a child, who turned adults. What about the adults getting braces for the first time, do you think this will happen to adults? What are the cases for such and is it doing damage for adults?

#35 Post by **diesel** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:16 pm

classII wrote:
diesel wrote:Uh dude those are clearly the same twins. their profile photos were even discussed in that same video. one of htem was a patient of dr.mews, the other had traditional treatment.
the first photo looks kind of effeminate and its hard to tell its him at first but it is. the second photo is the twin who got the better deal is it not? how can you say they'r enot the same people. one had 4 teeth pulled the other didn't i'ts simple. these arent just ancient dug up photos dude. there's obvious differences in the end results. look at the eyes and the fullness of the face. the first twin's profile just looks weird in those regards.
Take another look.
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/40553744.jpg/

it doesnt say the age they got their treatment though.

still you might be trying to put all the people here who got extractions at ease. you might be for traditional orthodontics. I don't know what it is. why would you deny they're the same poeple though. atleast admit that much

I think you are confused

there no freckles on the Aussie twins. There's toddler pictures on the video of them in color from Australia. The chins are completely different in the ancient black and white photos you dug out, from Dr . Mews in England, while the twins under discussion are in Australia.

Please check again.

Checked the vid and it wasn't dr.mews who treated the better turnout of the twinsbut it was done by a dr.mews type non-extraction method
Your "evidence" falls short.

I don't see how you're trying to negate that it's the same people.
Here's a color version of the guy. and the twins as a more profile based view.
That's a minor annoyance in trusting your input. ATLEAST admit that it's the same twin case. and that their profile differences are due to one havin had the extractions and the other going the route of orthotropics. There is no other way around it. Take your L.

#36 Post by **khrystal1968** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:37 pm

I noticed the extraction twin has lines under his eyes, and the non extration twin does not. Look at his lips. They are much thinner. Regardless, I am sure they have no problem getting the young lassies.

They are nice looking boys. I do think Dr John Mew has a point. After all, it happened to him too. He has a website it is called www.orthodonticoutrage.com. I actually emailed him and it took a while but he emailed me back. As far as I am concerned we need more orthos like him. Not enough orthos out there put faces into perspective, only teeth. Smiles are more than teeth. Soft tissue and muscle plays a bigger role. Hey Class Ass II, did YOU have any teeth pulled in your case? Check out www.facefocused.com. This ortho is more concerned about facial features and your airway being constricted by too small a mouth. He successfully opened up the gaps of a 52 year old woman who had braces 20 years before. She stated she would wake up "gasping for breath" and that her mouth was "too small for her tongue". After her gaps were opened she slept better. If you look at her before pic, her face looked pushed in.

#37 Post by **braceface418** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:54 pm

I thought the twin on the left (in the foreground) had the extractions, not the one on the right. Honestly, I can't really tell, especially when they're not holding the same face position.

#38 Post by **classII** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:04 pm

diesel wrote:
classII wrote:
diesel wrote:Uh dude those are clearly the same twins. their profile photos were even discussed in that same video. one of htem was a patient of dr.mews, the other had traditional treatment.
the first photo looks kind of effeminate and its hard to tell its him at first but it is. the second photo is the twin who got the better deal is it not? how can you say they'r enot the same people. one had 4 teeth pulled the other didn't i'ts simple. these arent just ancient dug up photos dude. there's obvious differences in the end results. look at the eyes and the fullness of the face. the first twin's profile just looks weird in those regards.
Take another look.
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/40553744.jpg/

it doesnt say the age they got their treatment though.

still you might be trying to put all the people here who got extractions at ease. you might be for traditional orthodontics. I don't know what it is. why would you deny they're the same poeple though. atleast admit that much

I think you are confused

there no freckles on the Aussie twins. There's toddler pictures on the video of them in color from Australia. The chins are completely different in the ancient black and white photos you dug out, from Dr . Mews in England, while the twins under discussion are in Australia.

Please check again.
Checked the vid and it wasn't dr.mews who treated the better turnout of the twinsbut it was done by a dr.mews type non-extraction method
Your "evidence" falls short.

I don't see how you're trying to negate that it's the same people.
Here's a color version of the guy. and the twins as a more profile based view.
That's a minor annoyance in trusting your input. ATLEAST admit that it's the same twin case. and that their profile differences are due to one havin had the extractions and the other going the route of orthotropics. There is no other way around it. Take your L.

The set of pictures you present, if all are correct are of the one twin, they show the so-called candidate that did NOT have the extractions. Quite clearly a collapsed and then "jutting jaw".

Where's the set of the brother with the extractions then?

Just be sure all these pics you're pulling out of your magic hat are correct. I don't have the time at the moment to check your home work.

#39 Post by **khrystal1968** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:16 pm

Wonder if these twins got paid for this?

#40 Post by **classII** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:28 pm

just checking the thead, where does this picture feature in you're new posts?

both PRE-threatment of any kind.

#41 Post by **jackjack** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:20 pm

At first I was very scared about my decision. Even if you have multiple consultations and do all the research possible, you are still going to be nervous and wonder how you will look in the end. Not until now that it's been a bit more than a year from having my braces and 4 bicuspids removed that I could see how and if my profile/face has changed. Yes it has changed. My face is NOT flat or sunken it but my mouth has gone down a little. Before braces my mouth/lips protruded a bit and I had a little lip strain which made dimples in my chin when I closed my mouth. But now my lip strain is almost gone. My lips are still full but just not out as much as they used to be. My face has changed but I think for the better. My mom has especially commented on how much prettier I look and she has known my face my whole life and for my mother to think I look better is comforting. I too like my "new" face. Even my nose has thinned out and doesn't look as big anymore. Like I got a free nose job. My smile too is much better and I smile more often. But I don't think I've changed too much or for the worse. I think if I didn't get the extractions my mouth would protrude too much. My sister-in-law has gotten extractions also and her results were 100 percent for the better. I guess it just depends on case to case. Just don't try to be an orthodontist and don't try to figure it out for yourself. But in the end do make the decision for yourself.

#42 Post by **Kitagirl** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:22 pm

I regret that a dentist messed me up when I was about 8 years old by extracting only two bottom teeth...my current ortho told me I should have had either none extracted, or all four matching ones extracted...not to mention a palette extender put in while I grew. Because my jaw is too small and somewhat squared.

I just had the matching two teeth on top extracted and I don't think its going to be super bad because since my jaws ARE a bit too small...that means all my teeth do not fit properly (I still have my wisdom teeth...actually, I had one extracted and another grew back!!!!)

So I don't see where I"m going to have unnatural gapping in my mouth and I don't see where there would have been room for the "missing" teeth without having had my jaws extended when I was growing. So far I'm not seeing anything weird going on, except yes my smile shape is changing due to getting rid of my bugs bunny teeth in front! Yeah!

#43 Post by **evilnel** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:35 pm

As numerous people have said: Depends on the case. I have a friend who had braces the typical 14-17 age and had 8 teeth removed--four wisdoms, four premolars. She's a petite woman with HUGE teeth, and there was no way they would have fit in her mouth without extractions. She had a big, broad, beautiful smile now, which never could have been achieved without extractions. Anecdote, I know, but not ALL extraction cases (even in teens) are bad. You have to be selective with your ortho and make the best decision you can with the information you have. Blanket statements, like stereotypes, are never helpful.

#44 Post by **VA5** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:51 pm

evilnel wrote:As numerous people have said: Depends on the case. I have a friend who had braces the typical 14-17 age and had 8 teeth removed--four wisdoms, four premolars. She's a petite woman with HUGE teeth, and there was no way they would have fit in her mouth without extractions. She had a big, broad, beautiful smile now, which never could have been achieved without extractions. Anecdote, I know, but not ALL extraction cases (even in teens) are bad. You have to be selective with your ortho and make the best decision you can with the information you have. Blanket statements, like stereotypes, are never helpful.

I agree. I was thinking the same thing when I read through this thread. That video is so silly too. The picture of that one boy who already had a dished in face, and got extractions and had an even more dished in face.. well duh. He has a really bad orthodontist, OBVIOUSLY!!!! But for somebody with a protruding face/mouth, extractions can work wonders. My orthodontist thankfully is very aware of facial aesthetics and is constantly telling me how she wants to avoid a dished in face and thinned out lips, and has that in the back of her head with every adjustment she makes. I'm very thankful for that! And thankfully, my lips are very full to begin with, so I am fairly certain that I won't have that dished in look anyways, unless she goes bonkers retracting and she will not b/c she is very aware of that "side-effect".

So yeah, get a good orthodontist and most of the time you won't go wrong.

#45 Post by **gokix** » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:42 pm

VA5 wrote: My orthodontist thankfully is very aware of facial aesthetics and is constantly telling me how she wants to avoid a dished in face and thinned out lips, and has that in the back of her head with every adjustment she makes. I'm very thankful for that! And thankfully, my lips are very full to begin with, so I am fairly certain that I won't have that dished in look anyways, unless she goes bonkers retracting and she will not b/c she is very aware of that "side-effect".

So yeah, get a good orthodontist and most of the time you won't go wrong.

Did you get extractions? Just curious because I did, and now have that "dished in" look, which has made me self-conscious about the way my face looks.

I'm 10 months into my treatment, and have approximately 8-10 months left, so I'm left wondering, are there ways that a dentist can adjust the teeth so that facial side-effects such as the long face can be reversed? I'm not sure how to phrase it... does that sense?

Just wondering about your experience with that since I am going to see my dentist next week, and am really anxious about bringing this topic up.